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Why Are My Morgans Toning?

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 Posted 08/07/2014  12:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list
I don't know how PCGS cleaned up my coin, they do not disclose their methods. My "methods" are that acetone typically results in similar results. I wasn't about to mess with this PCGS coin since it developed spots while in their holder and it is a high value coin. I have seen residue redeposit right in front if my eyes when acetone evaporates and is not rinsed.

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 Posted 08/07/2014  12:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Russ789 to your friends list
The reason I used dish soap was to wash off the "dip." I didn't want it sitting there destroying the coin.

The 1895 I will put into the acetone tomorrow night.

This is the acetone I own:

http://www.sallybeauty.com/Acetone-...tone&start=6

100% pure. $2. ;-)
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 Posted 08/07/2014  12:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasingtailbar to your friends list
You've seen residue deposit... did you test your acetone to make sure it was pure acetone first?

Your acetone was probably contaminated somehow, that simple.
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 Posted 08/07/2014  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Russ789 to your friends list
What would it hurt to rinse the coin with distilled water after an acetone dip?
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 Posted 08/07/2014  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasingtailbar to your friends list

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The reason I used dish soap was to wash off the "dip." I didn't want it sitting there destroying the coin.


Yeah, don't do that in the future. Dip, hot water, distilled water, acetone. That's all ya need. I've used this method and probably had an upwards of 200 coins slabbed problem-free afterwards.
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08/07/2014 12:14 am
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 Posted 08/07/2014  12:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasingtailbar to your friends list

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What would it hurt to rinse the coin with distilled water after an acetone dip?

Wouldn't hurt, but it's not going to do any good either since the distilled water doesn't evaporate quickly and any left on the surface may have particles of contaminants. That's the point of the soak in acetone. It dissolves organics, and provided it's 100% pure acetone, it evaporates quickly and completely.

I use this stuff, or something very similar.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Klean-St...18/100141096
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 Posted 08/07/2014  12:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Russ789 to your friends list
1 gallon of acetone...you must do a lot of soaking!
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 Posted 08/07/2014  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasingtailbar to your friends list
I go through a gallon every year or so. Every acetone soak gets about 1oz per coin, minimum. I'd rather overcompensate than risk having all the crap that comes off the coin end up right back on it because it all evaporated for some reason.
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 Posted 08/07/2014  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list
Back in the 1970s us "kids" used benzene. No gloves either. Well, after I got my chemical engineering degree in the 1980s if you don't want to wear gloves, acetone is the way to go!(plus it is harder to find benzene these days) If you are using soap, I suggest Dawn and always distilled water. No time to get into specifics.

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 Posted 08/07/2014  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Russ789 to your friends list
LOL just messing with you! What do you soak your coins in? I am using a baby food jar...hoping it cuts down on the evaporation.
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 Posted 08/07/2014  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list
Be sure to use the squished peas, they are less harsh than the applesauce baby food. And Gerber is the best, I remember that from over 50 years ago.
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 Posted 08/07/2014  09:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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Acetone evaporates, and if it's true 100% pure acetone, it doesn't leave anything behind.

Not quite true. If there are contaminants dissolved in the acetone from the coin they can be redeposited right back on the coin as the acetone evaporates. This is why I do a through FLOWING rinse (not a soak) with distilled water to flush away all the contaminated acetone. Then I follow that with a quick flowing rinse with fresh acetone to dry the coin. (After the water rinse you should just have a few droplets of water on the coin. Water and acetone are "instantly" and 100% miscible. So the water molecules will be instantly widely disbursed in the acetone and they will evaporate off as the acetone does in just a few seconds. No need to do anything else to dry the coin and no chance to accidentally hairline it.)


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The reason I used dish soap was to wash off the "dip." I didn't want it sitting there destroying the coin.

Instead you probably leave residues from the soap, not much better.
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08/07/2014 09:40 am
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 Posted 08/07/2014  11:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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The reason I used dish soap was to wash off the "dip." I didn't want it sitting there destroying the coin.

Instead you probably leave residues from the soap, not much better.

And as Conder101 stated, Whatever was dissolved in the Acetone will just be redeposited right back on the coin. Whatever Acetone captures just doesn't vanish, it's now in the Acetone and as that evaporates, The STUFF is now left. It's just common CENTS you know. Rinsing with distilled water helps get rid of that STUFF.
As to dish soaps and just wash off. This has been explained many times before. No two dish soaps are the same. Some may contain acidic properties and some may contain almost anything. The formula used by manufacturers is proprietary and in most instants not easily found out. The Dish Soap you use today may be completely different than tomorrow also. It could do more damage than good to a coin. Dish Soaps are not made to clean coins, just dishes. And remember that even todays so called Silver ware is mostly Stainless Steel, not Silver so not much of a problem for Dish Soap.
And removing it with almost any kind of tap water is just as dangerous. Tap water everywhere is either full of Chlorine, Fluorine, Salts from water softeners, Iron or Lead from pipes, etc.
You really just don't know what is in what so play it safe.
And if you are having problems with house plants dying and your using tap water, could well be it is run through a water softener which leaves salts in the dirt. And that kills plants.
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08/07/2014 11:05 am
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 Posted 08/07/2014  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Morgan to your friends list

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If there are contaminants dissolved in the acetone from the coin they can be redeposited right back on the coin as the acetone evaporates. This is why I do a through FLOWING rinse (not a soak) with distilled water to flush away all the contaminated acetone. Then I follow that with a quick flowing rinse with fresh acetone to dry the coin.


THIS is correct.
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 Posted 08/07/2014  11:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CL_ to your friends list
I think there was a misunderstanding about the pure acetone leaving deposits debate. Distilled water wouldn't really leave any deposits, but if you soak a salt covered item in it, the salt will be dissolved. As the water dries that salt will re-deposit on any surface it touches.
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