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Valued Member
United States
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I used to be in the logistics database program business, which was very analytical with the data for all kinds of reasons. It would be so easy for ebay to apply the same heuristics that humans can use so easily to spot this stuff to check programmatically for suspicious shill bidding. Of course, I don't know if it's in ebay's business interests to do it as they make a lot of commission on higher prices, but I'd love to see it happen. For goodness sake, the NSA and other agencies use much more complicated analysis programming to search everyone's internet interactions, so this would be easy. Just dreaming here. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Whoever "0***a" and "7***d" are, they have the high bid on quite a few of the sellers coins.
Coincidence? I don't think so.
I have been wrong before.
Edited by oih82w8
08/29/2014 3:42 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2311 Posts |
Sometimes when I see items going low I bid on them to help the sellers out...
So you can't be jumping the ban hammer so fast.
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Valued Member
United States
109 Posts |
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Post all the links you want, use the word "definitely" all you want, you still haven't proved squat. Funny, what you call a shill bidder looks like a loyal customer too. ...You seem pretty hostile in defending a random ebay seller... You think they have 3 loyal customers from the total of 33 items they've ever sold (or received feedback for) on ebay? 3 loyal customers that would bid on nearly every coin that they see them sell, but in the case of 2, not bid on anything else on ebay? So loyal that they've either never bought from the seller before, or at least weren't loyal enough to have left feedback for the seller on those accounts... http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI....one_ViewLinkhttp://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI....one_ViewLinkhttp://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI....one_ViewLinkQuote:
How do you find this type of information out? When I look at the bidding information, I only see a list of bidders with their usernames hidden, with no indication of prior bidding activity If you click on the bidders name, though still jumbled, it will still give a 30 day summary of their bids. It will show the Bid activity % with the seller of the auction you're looking at, puts numbers to the sellers they've recently put a bid in for, how many times they bid, etc. Edited by BlackNWhite
08/29/2014 3:58 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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 The 'shill thing' didn't immediately occur to me because it's a problem coin, but yes, bidder activity reveals a lot. I'll be a bit more gentle and not use the word 'definitely,' but 'most probably' would work for me. |
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United States
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Valued Member
United States
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Lotta words but still waiting for any semblance of proof.... You would be a defense attorney's dream. It's been shown as much as it can be for what it is, good luck with being bullheaded. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Should be easy peazy to prove it if it's so blatant right? So prove it. If you are going to use ebay you might want to learn a little more about the inner workings. I am calling shill bidding on this one also. |
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Forum Dad
 United States
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Quote:If you are going to use ebay you might want to learn a little more about the inner workings. Not sure what you mean by that Tim, it's not difficult to understand by anyone that understands how the web works. Trust me on this, it's impossible to prove from the outside and difficult at best to prove even from sitting in ebay's chair. I mean if they're dumb enough to register the accounts with the same name and address sure. People think IP addresses are the end all be all of the internet. They are not. All AOL users share about 100 IPAs. Most mobile networks do the same. Some ISPs change your IPA every single pageload. IPAs are far from reliable in proving anything. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Just curious, but in the OP link...if you look at the bid history, how did the winner put the winning bid in 3 days prior to the end of the auction and win? Seems the other bidder was posting right up to the end on the 28th but the winners bid was placed on the 25th? How does that work?
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Forum Dad
United States
24154 Posts |
Proxy bids that only increase when you are outbid.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1903 Posts |
I thought the same thing at first, but why, during lulls in bidding after the 25th was he not listed as the high bidder? He only appears once in the bidding history.
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Forum Dad
United States
24154 Posts |
You can put in the winning bid 5 minutes into the auction and have 100 bids after yours. If they aren't higher than your original bid you stay on top but your bid time/date doesn't change.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Sorry to sound woefully ignorant...so what you are saying is that the winning bidder, if they place a proxy bid high enough to ultimately win the auction will only be listed once (as the ultimate winner) but not be listed as the high bidder during bidding lulls in the bidding history, correct? I guess where I get confused is why the other bidders are listed multiple times but the winner isn't. Thanks for the heads up
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Forum Dad
United States
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You got it now.  |
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