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Do You Think That The US Mint Should Keep Making Pennys

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 Posted 12/01/2018  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list

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Think about the financial industry. Banks do business by the penny. Stocks and commodities are priced by the penny. Utility rates and charges are set to the penny.

And banks still would. Frankly they already do business to less than the cent and then round That's what happens when you have fractional percentage interest rates. Stocks are prices to the tenth of a dollar and it wasn't that long ago they were priced to the eighth of a dollar and not having 12 1/2 cent pieces didn't seem to matter. As far as the utilities go they are done in fractions of a cent as well and then rounded. Eliminating the cent won't really bother any of these things.


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Also, unit priced, high volume goods such as nails, building staples, rubber gaskets, and many other such things are priced to the penny and often are worth pennies or less.

And when you buy them you get quantities with the price rounded. And the PRICE doen't have to end in 5 or 0 it can be an odd number then the tax is applied and the final price is rounded up or down by the cash register which already has the rounding program built in.


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But the paperwork burden, including software programming work, could be quite significant for some businesses,

What software programming?


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I say get rid of it, but keep them circulating. Don't make anymore just leave the existing ones to die on their own.

I'm sure they would, and they will most likely be completely gone for all practical purposes in about a year maybe less.
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 Posted 12/01/2018  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sharkman to your friends list
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If we were in a totally cashless society where no one used cash in their business or needed towrite a check to someone who might want to cash it, we would have no problem. You ask what software programming I am referring to. The devil is in the details, and the smallest problems can cause unforeseen issues . Here, the small problem I see that will require software programming is the final rounding to the nearest nickel. It must be accomplished and accounted for. The business I recently retired from would have needed to hire a software expert to adjust our accounting and billing software to accomplish the final rounding. Bigger businesses could encounter more complex issues, smaller businesses are more nimble and can adjust more easily on the fly.
In the case of a mom and pop specialty shop which might have a percentage rent lease requiring audit of register tapes, the business can avoid reprogramming or replacing the registers to do the final rounding simply by entering the separately computed total rounded down to the nearest nickel. But if the business is also using its registers for inventory control, problems will arise if each item is not entered separately in the register and the register will need to do the final rounding.
In the case of banks, insurance companies, brokerages, and utilities, the problem arises when the business has to pay money to or make a refund to a customer. No one's customer agreement presently calls for the final rounding. Revision of all the agreements could be avoided by simply tendering the customer the actual amount due rounded up to the nearest nickel (the customer would have to agree to rounding down) this would result in a cost of up to 4 cents per transaction, and the accounting system would need to be reprogrammed in any event to account for the rounding. Certainly, the business could write a check for the amount due to the penny, but what happens when the customer wants to cash the check, rather than deposit it.
So, the problem I see is in making the final rounding. Except in the smallest businesses, I see this causing software programming issues that will need to be dealt with. I learned over the years that even the smallest change comes at a cost.
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 Posted 12/01/2018  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sharkman to your friends list
Okay, I admit it. I had one of those "well duh" moments that makes me feel like a clueless idiot. I totally failed to consider the bazillion pennies that are already out there, including those that are out of circulation having been thrown into change jars and whatnot. These will return to circulation as needed, and I suspect there are more than enough to meet any conceivable need until we become a totally cashless society. We certainly don't need any more. I am firmly in the camp that says we should stop making them.
I sure hope Conder sees this before he gives me another well-deserved brow beating.
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 Posted 12/02/2018  01:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add perfessor to your friends list
I am curious to know what actually happened in Canada or other countries after the smallest coin was eliminated? Did actual retail prices change up or down? Were there complaints from the public? Were people actually cheated out of their cents (or whatever)?
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 Posted 12/02/2018  01:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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I sure hope Conder sees this before he gives me another well-deserved brow beating.
That is not his style.
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 Posted 12/02/2018  01:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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I am curious to know what actually happened in Canada or other countries after the smallest coin was eliminated? Did actual retail prices change up or down? Were there complaints from the public? Were people actually cheated out of their cents (or whatever)?
We have no shortage of Canadians here. The lack of complaints tells me everything worked out just fine.
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 Posted 01/30/2019  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list
Now here's an alternate thought. Yes it is true that it costs more than $0.01 to make a penny on each but what about the fact that it only cost $0.17 to make $100 bill? In all reality you're still turning a net profit in the end.
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 Posted 01/30/2019  4:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Now here's an alternate thought. Yes it is true that it costs more than $0.01 to make a penny on each but what about the fact that it only cost $0.17 to make $100 bill? In all reality you're still turning a net profit in the end.
First, the $100 bill in not a mint product, so that profit does not count.

Second, yes, the mint makes a profit on the dime and up, but the point is they could be making more profit. A lot more. At some point, the losses on the cent will override they profit they do make as other costs increase.

Stop trying to make it work! Just kill the cent already.
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 Posted 01/30/2019  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add babysitr to your friends list
It's sad, but jbuck is dead right!!
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 Posted 01/30/2019  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nick10 to your friends list
Now that a quarter has the buying power the cent had when the cent was the smallest circulating denomination, round all cash totals to the nearest quarter. Drop production of all coins other than quarters, or revalue the dollar.
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 Posted 01/30/2019  7:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add llewellin to your friends list
They've kept making them long past the time they've stopped being useful, and it's getting to the point where it's kind of funny. I think at this point they should just stay the course and commit to ironically minting pennies by the tens of billions for generations to come.
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 Posted 01/31/2019  03:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pauldog to your friends list
I was visiting in Italy in the 1980's, and there the lowest-valued coin was 10 lira, made of aluminum.
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 Posted 01/31/2019  09:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list

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Now that a quarter has the buying power the cent had when the cent was the smallest circulating denomination, round all cash totals to the nearest quarter.
I thought I was being aggressive by suggesting that we make the dime the "new cent" (eliminate cent and five cents coins), but that works for me! Solves the "How can you have a quarter with no nickel?" problem.


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I think at this point they should just stay the course and commit to ironically minting pennies by the tens of billions for generations to come.
I want to say that would never happen, but there is a non-zero chance it will.


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I was visiting in Italy in the 1980's, and there the lowest-valued coin was 10 lira, made of aluminum.
Aluminium cannot save the cent. It would barely save the nickel. Hmm, a non-nickel nickel.
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 Posted 02/04/2019  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list
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