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A CCF Brain Teaser-What Year Prior To 1964 Would Have The Most Coins In A Mint Set?

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 Posted 12/19/2022  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list
1883 had 23 coins
Small Cent
Shield nickel
Liberty Head Nickel (No Cents/Cents)
Dime
Quarter
Half Dollar
Morgan (P/CC/O/S) (the trade was just a Proof so not counted)
$1 Gold
$2.5 Gold
$3 Gold
$5 Gold (P/CC/S)
$10 Gold (P/CC/O/S)
$20 Gold (CC/S) P was proof only

So far 1857 is the one to beat pre 1964.
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 Posted 12/19/2022  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list
"Major subtype" perhaps is subjective. 1901 comes to mind. Nickel Reverse Type 1 and 2, Dime Reverse Type 2 and 3, Half Dollar Reverse Type 1 and 2, plus Cent, Quarter, Dollar, plus Gold quarter/half/eagle/double eagle. The half dollar reverse types are very minor though and only published in the last year. But with the three mints that's 25 coins. (I think).

1900 saw three Quarter obverses and two reverses, but you can cover them with 3 coins per mint. Known combinations of obv/rev types would be 15 coins just for Quarters across the mints though. The third Quarter obverse is also pretty minor and only published in the last couple years.

1879 might be a more "normal" contender with all 7 gold denominations. Interesting question.
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 Posted 12/19/2022  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarrsCoins to your friends list
cool thread. ill have to think about this one for a bit.
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 Posted 12/19/2022  9:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
Let's say major subtype = listed in the Red Book. That should narrow it down a bit.
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 Posted 12/19/2022  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list

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"Major subtype" perhaps is subjective. 1901 comes to mind. Nickel Reverse Type 1 and 2, Dime Reverse Type 2 and 3, Half Dollar Reverse Type 1 and 2, plus Cent, Quarter, Dollar, plus Gold quarter/half/eagle/double eagle. The half dollar reverse types are very minor though and only published in the last year. But with the three mints that's 25 coins. (I think).

1900 saw three Quarter obverses and two reverses, but you can cover them with 3 coins per mint. Known combinations of obv/rev types would be 15 coins just for Quarters across the mints though. The third Quarter obverse is also pretty minor and only published in the last couple years.


None of these are in the Red Book, so I would not consider these "major"
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 Posted 12/19/2022  9:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list
Another date I checked was 1867 as that includes the 2 cent and 3 cent nickel, but 1867 has only 23 coins. 1857 is still winning.
Cent
2 cents
3 Cent Silver
3 Cent Nickel
5 cent nickel (rays/no rays)
10 cents (P/S)
25 cents (P/S)
50 cents (P/S)
1 dollar silver
1 dollar gold
$2.5 gold (P/S)
$3 gold
$5 gold (P/S)
$10 gold (P/S)
$20 gold (P/S)
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 Posted 12/19/2022  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list
This has gone way over my head!

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 Posted 12/20/2022  03:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsearcher to your friends list
I'm with the Frog - it's an interesting topic but over my head. I look forward to reading the eventual consensus answer.
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 Posted 12/20/2022  04:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list
I think I've heard somewhere that 1883 had a lot of coins, but that must have been a lot of types. And it looks like even in types 1857 has it beat.
(I might have been thinking of 1873, come to think of it. But even that doesn't look like it would match 1857, and it includes a bunch of proof-only options.)

@hfjacinto - your listing for 1883 is missing the 3 cent nickel, which is said to have circulation strikes that year, though with less of them than the proof strikes I can see where you could miss that!


Interesting suggestion: 1935 and/or 1936. There was a lot of different commemorative halves struck in those two years, and 1935 also saw the tail end of the Peace dollars.

By the looks of it, 1936 probably had a little more in total, but it's going to be close. Of course it's not clear if commemorative halves clarify for the OP in the first place...
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 Posted 12/20/2022  05:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list
Excluding commemoratives, looking at some more descriptions, I'll take an oddball guess of 1908...

Cent (P/S)
Nickel (P)
Dime (P/D/S/O)
Quarter (P/D/S/O)
Half (P/D/S/O)
$2.5 (P)
$5 Liberty (P)
$5 Indian (P/D/S)
$10 no motto (P/D)
$10 motto (P/D/S)
$20 no motto (P/D)
$20 motto (P/D/S)

...OK that's a bit less than I was expecting: only 30 coins total, so it doesn't quite beat 1857.
I had high hopes for 1916 but very little gold that year. 1909 had six different cents instead of just two, but only one gold type per denomination means it comes out to a grand total of 29, even less than 1908.
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 Posted 12/20/2022  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarrsCoins to your friends list
i thought 1853 might have a shot with all the arrows and rays variants. Charlotte and Dahlonega minting gold. there are some overdates too.

comes to 31 coins by my count.

1853
1/2c (p)
1c (p)
3cs (p)
5c arrows (p,o)
5c no arrows (p,o)
10c arrows (p,o)
10c no arrows (p)
25c arrows and rays (p)
25c no arrows (p)
25c 53/4 arrows and rays (p)
50c arrows and rays (p,o)
$1 silver (p)
$1 gold (p,c,d,o)
$2.5 (p,d)
$5 (p,c,d)
$10 (p,o)
$10 53/2 overdate (p)
$20 (p,o)
$20 53/2 overdate (p)
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 Posted 12/20/2022  1:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
1873 would be my guess if we include closed/open 3 types. Can anyone find a date that can beat the 39 or 53 coin set?

52 coins (with both closed/open 3 and DDO 1c)
39 coins (without the closed/open 3 varieties or DDO 1c)

1c closed (P)
1c open (P)
1c DDO (P)

1873 3c (closed) (P)
1873 3c (open) (P)

1873 5c shield (P)

1873 5c Half Dime (P, S)

1873 10c arrows (P, S, CC)
1873 10c no arrows, closed 3 (P)
1873 10c no arrows, open 3 (P)
1873 10c no arrows (CC)

1873 25c arrows (P, S, CC)
1873 25c no arrows, closed 3 (P)
1873 25c no arrows, open 3 (P)
1873 25c no arrows (CC)

1873 50c arrows (P, CC, S)
1873 50c no arrows, closed 3 (P)
1873 50c no arrows, open 3 (P)
1873 50c no arrows (CC)

1873 Seated $1 (P, CC, S)

1873 Trade $1 (P, CC, S)

1873 open 3 Gold $1 (P)
1873 closed 3 Gold $1 (P)

1873 open 3 Gold $2.50 (P)
1873 closed 3 Gold $2.50 (P)
1873 Gold $2.50 (S)

1873 closed 3 Gold $3 (P)

1873 closed 3 Gold $5 (P)
1873 open 3 Gold $5 (P)
1873 Gold $5 (S, CC)

1873 Gold $10 (P, S, CC)

1873 open 3 Gold $20 (P, S)
1873 closed 3 Gold $20 (P, S)
1873 Gold $20 (CC)

So out of curiosity, I wanted to see just how much I'd need to spend to assemble such a set in MS65 or the highest grade available below 65 using the 52 coin model.

Using Numismedia FMV, and not including anything over $500k (gotta be reasonable here ), I come up with a little short of $3.1 million to put together that set.

Quite a few coins are well over $50k, several over $100k, a couple over $200k.

The elephant coin is the 1873-CC no arrows 10c at $1.875m, so if you want that in your set, make that new price $4.85 million.

Bad news is, you might have to save up for awhile to put the set together.

Good news is, you'd probably get a pretty warm reception when you (and your personal armored car transport and security guards) took your complete 1873 mint set display to your local coin club's Show and Tell day.
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1873 may be the one. Even though the Open/Close 3 is to me really stretching it as a variety. But even without those at 39 coins that was a lot of different coins minted.

But with the multi million dollar price tag, I think I'll pass.
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My first thought was 1857 but looks like hfjacinto's got it right.
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 Posted 12/22/2022  4:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list
It was to me quite amazing to see how many 1873 coins are absolutely ridiculously expensive in higher (Unc) grades.
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