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When I mentioned the 250k for the 250th treasure hunt to the credit union customer service rep, his first question was, "What stops somebody from just punching a privy mark into a normal coin?" That's what got me researching, but the quality of results dredged up by Google was poor and conflicting.
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Even if not incuse, the fact that we are asking the question means most do not know and would fall for a pricey hand-punched example  |
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In a global context, "privy marks" are raised, just like any other part of a coin's design. The privy marks are not stamped onto the coins in a subsequent minting stage, they are part of the die used to strike those specific coins.
If the marks were incuse, and applied as a subsequent step in the minting process, they would be more properly termed "countermarks", not "privy marks".
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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The "V75" privy mark on the 2020 ASE (under a 10x loupe) appears to have incused and raised elements. . .created in the minting process.  Certainly distinctive from the Star, Eagle, Laser, and Service PMs we've seen lately. 2000 |
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yep, the V75... that's exactly why I thought & said what I did. I should have elaborated, but cptbilly had my back. btw, congrats, cptbilly, on 2K posts.   but that's interesting, Sap, thanks for that. a 'countermark', just like a 'counterstamp'. incuse, opposite of a raised device... and that a privy mark is a part of the die instead of added afterward. hmm.  Edited by MrPink2018
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A decade or so ago, the Royal Australian Mint had to retcon a whole bunch of coins their marketing department had labelled as either "mintmarks" or "countermarks", when people pointed out that technically they were actually "privy marks". The RAM now sells coins with all three kinds of marks on them, depending on the context: "mintmark" denotes the place the coin was actually struck, "privy mark" denotes a die-struck mintmark-like design element, and "counterstamp" is a punch applied to the coin post-mint.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Sap wrote: Quote:
A decade or so ago, the Royal Australian Mint had to retcon a whole bunch of coins their marketing department had labelled as either "mintmarks" or "countermarks", when people pointed out that technically they were actually "privy marks". I know what retroactive continuity is in re: fiction, TV shows, and other mediums. What does "retcon" mean in this context ? Thanks. Edited by cptbilly
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To my eye, that V75 mark appears to have the lettering as level with the coin's fields, produced by a sunken background. True?
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To my eye, that V75 mark appears to have the lettering as level with the coin's fields, produced by a sunken background. True? 100% accurate. . .cellphone photo resolution has its limits. " Even a clock that's stopped is right twice a day. "
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I know what retroactive continuity is in re: fiction, TV shows, and other mediums. What does "retcon" mean in this context ? In the use here, it means the same thing. |
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So if the lettering is level with the fields, I think the question stands. Couldn't someone fashion a counterstamp that leaves a visibly indistinguishable mark a coin surface?
I know that wouldn't work for the W series of quarters because the mint mark is also different. I am just wondering how low the bar really is for Temu fakes to start appearing for the valuable new coins.
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To my eye, that V75 mark appears to have the lettering as level with the coin's fields, produced by a sunken background. this makes me think of the 1913 type ll indian head nickel, the 'five cents' denomination lettering on the lower reverse, raised up from a sunken area. I realize the difference between the two, one is a denomination ('five cents') and one is a privy (V75), but the same effect (re: the V75): raised lettering from a sunken area. I presume the surface of that 'five cents' lettering was about the same height as the other devices, a fix due to the type l lettering issue. Quote:
"mintmark" denotes the place the coin was actually struck, typically a raised from the field design element Quote:
"privy mark" denotes a die-struck mintmark-like design element, it can be a letter, number or device raised from the field or raised up from a sunken area Quote:
and "counterstamp" is a punch applied to the coin post-mint. incuse element somewhere in the field. yeah? Edited by MrPink2018
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I am just wondering how low the bar really is for Temu fakes to start appearing for the valuable new coins. I am sure it is lower than we realize. |
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