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@frei,first welcome to CCF. Quote:
That description was obviously a shot in the dark by the seller. Second, with regard to SARC, I'm not saying that they are infallible, but without any evidence to the contrary, I'd generally believe their hunches as to attribution. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Thank-you for the welcomes to CCF. Much appreciated.
If XRF metallurgical analysis matches known mid to late 17th century profiles then that would exclude any known Mexican tokens by a minimum of 150 years. The metallurgical profiles of such tokens are highly distinctive.
The metallurgical profile could also indicate whether my item is 17th century or not.
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08/09/2026 11:22 am
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FWIW, in my seventy years of collecting, I've not before seen the like of this curious piece. It'd be interesting to know the metallic content.
My hunch is that it may be a circa 1700's era church penny or IOU of sorts ... redeemable in private treaty. I've a pair of early c/s'd pieces that appear tp have served similarly.
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Yep, it's the subject token, just NOT a coin.
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I have purchased it prior to my initial post.
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08/09/2026 8:26 pm
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I have purchased it prior to my initial post.
The seller repeated the auction house description.
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Circa 1790 Presbyterian Church of Albany NY so-called church penny.  It may be a church token, and I have considered that as a possibility. The church tokens I am familiar with tend to have more detail than my item. Edited by FreiherrVonNumis
08/09/2026 8:13 pm
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The metallurgical profiles of such tokens are highly distinctive. If/when you decide to take this step, please post the test results to this thread.Thx! "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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I will post the XRF results as soon as I get them, then get more specialized tests run if I think it necessary.
Metal testing doesn't prove authenticity as such but it can exclude, eg if it conclusively establishes that it is not made of metal from circa 1650.
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08/10/2026 2:08 pm
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Thank-you for the further welcomes.
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An interesting piece, I look forward to hearing more about it and the XRF results. At this time I am leaning towards agreement with ExoGuy's comments, likely a private treaty piece and/or counterstamped.
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 I have posted this image of a Massachusetts shilling and my mystery item as a comparison. They are NOT to scale. Please note that a Massachusetts sixpence (not shown here) is the same diameter as my mystery item. Official records and legislation pertaining to the Colony of Massachusetts Bay clearly disclose the rife manufacture and use of brass and tin penny tokens that were eventually rigorously outlawed. References cite that to date no examples survive or are known. Penalties for being in possession of them include a threefold face value fine with a reward being paid to whoever potted the possessor. It is evident there was an intent to officially replace them. Edited by FreiherrVonNumis
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Posted 08/09/2026 10:18 am
Uncirculated American Silver Eagles 
