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Unknown Coin Found Near Zapata Texas (Id: US Counter Token)

 
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 Posted 04/10/2022  9:37 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DentDie1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello to everyone here, 

I found this coin 30+ years ago while metal detecting with my grandfather in Zapata, TX. near the Old Mexico border. I've yet to identify it all these years later, but I might easily be missing an obvious reference. The circle on back is what really gives me pause. I don't have the proper scale for weight, but the o.d. is 15mm, and one pic I've included shows some other coins for comparison.


Thanks for any help.







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 Posted 04/10/2022  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That circle on the rev gives me pause too. I wonder if this isn't part of a button. I'll be interested to see what others think.

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 Posted 04/10/2022  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwhatisit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
, glad you can ask us!

I happen to have one very similar yours, and best I can come up with is some kind of play money of sorts. It was probably issued some time in the 1890s based on the 'date' 1890.
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 Posted 04/11/2022  07:06 am  Show Profile   Check bugil46's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add bugil46 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep
Very interesting.
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 Posted 04/11/2022  07:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mtuma3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sometime back someone posted a pic of that token, but it had 2 holes drilled in it, top and bottom...
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 Posted 04/11/2022  9:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The lug mount on the back clearly indicates that this was, indeed, a button. It was never a genuine coin, but rather, a button copying the design of a coin. Using coins as jewellery was a fashionable way to show off your wealth, and if you couldn't actually afford to throw perfectly good money away by turning it into jewellery, you bought cheap "costume jewellery" replicas instead.
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 Posted 04/12/2022  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Why would a button be decorated on the backside?
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 Posted 04/12/2022  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First,


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That circle on the rev gives me pause too. I wonder if this isn't part of a button.


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The lug mount on the back clearly indicates that this was, indeed, a button.


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Why would a button be decorated on the backside?


Just a question. Could this be a cuff link, rather than a button? That might explain the two-sided design.
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 Posted 04/13/2022  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Why would a button be decorated on the backside?

Button-backs have all kinds of designs on them, from plain to elaborate. Often they'll have a maker's name or at least a city of origin.
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 Posted 04/13/2022  2:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SaturnD51 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The eagle is the same design eagle holding the three arrows which they used on military buttons in the Civil wars in the U.S. Hard to boil it down to one area because there were so many individual designs made for military uniforms.

On the other side the coin doesn't looked to be convex like a button only flat. Might of been a war trade token.
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 Posted 04/13/2022  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SaturnD51 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Found it! (1890) EAGLE 820 / WREATH 810a (R-7) US COUNTER TOKEN


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 Posted 04/13/2022  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well done @sat. This other example seems to have had that rev circle ground off.
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 Posted 04/13/2022  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SaturnD51 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah I wonder what that circle was for?
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 Posted 04/20/2022  11:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Veton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi. You can find similar items in http://www.botonistica.es/catalogo19/pgeneral.html but with different designs (page 6 number 152, spanish coat of arms; p.9 n. 271, argentina c.o.a.; p.18 n. 804 mexican eagle; p.19 n. 849 uruguayan coat of arms).

It seems to be a product of an unknown fabricant (I think european). Theese counters -probably- were made as yours and the user could add a loop and be used as button, or to drill a border hole, and be used as medal, or to be soldered to a handle and used as gas or petrol lamp regulation Knob or ... to do nothing and be used as game token ...

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