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Is This Coin Real? What Is It?

 
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 Posted 06/30/2022  7:36 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add dslobo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I am having difficulty identifying this coin. The facts do not make sense. The wear makes it difficult to identify. Is it real? What denomination? Where is it from?

28mm/4.8g





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 Posted 06/30/2022  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you enlarge these images?



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Resizing is not doing what I want. Let's try again.



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 Posted 06/30/2022  8:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@dsl, I'm going to move this to the world coin subforum so that the folks can weigh in what appears to be a Spanish coin.
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 Posted 06/30/2022  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It certainly looks Spanish (or rather, Spanish-colonial), but certain details are "wrong": the portrait, and the way that, for example, the letter sizes in the word "DEI" are all different, indicate to me that this is actually a contemporary counterfeit. The brassy colour would also lend weight to this theory (it was presumably originally made with a silvery wash, which has since disappeared). Finally, 28mm is a good size for a 2 reales (quarter-dollar), but 4.8 grams is way too light, even for a well-worn example.

American-made counterfeits with the "mintmark" given as "FMR S.I.H" are reported (no genuine 2 reales coin has this legend); Kleeberg in his "Circulating Counterfeits of the Americas" lists this reverse type as number M5.

Contemporary counterfeits are highly collectable artifacts in their own right.
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 Posted 07/01/2022  05:31 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Contemporary counterfeits are highly collectable artifacts in their own right.


My guess is that this is a contemporary counterfeit. Looks more like a 1 Reale but at 28 mm it is 2 Reale size except the weight, which is far too low as noted.

If this link is allowed you will see the coin your piece was likely made to fool recipients.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces15061.html



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 Posted 07/01/2022  12:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dslobo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SAP, thank you for researching this. I was not able to find any examples of the FMR.S.I.H mark; which led me to Kleeberg's document. I missed the reference to M5. This is the only image that I've found where the GRATIA letters line up on the bust.

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 Posted 07/02/2022  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Giovanni Miceli Puperi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How big is it? It really looks alike a Guayaca, a big decorative button used in the 19th century in Argentina, Uruguay and in the southern region of Brazil.
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As you can see, there are some vestiges of the place where the ring that made it a button was. Here's an different Guaiaca>

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