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Anything else is mental gymnastics
Whatever you say, lol..
1858 issues often have these prooflike surfaces and cameo devices, the coin you posted is a great example of it.
No interest in a wager, I cannot evaluate the surfaces properly from just one set of images and as such cannot properly grade it, but what I can say is that the coin looks like it is probably unc.
You are going too far in the name of discrediting ICCS when it comes to this particular coin. The strike quality of the hair and central reverse are quite typical for such a small coin, and even some of the finest survivors will show this.
The coin is probably fairly reflective in hand and appears to have some frosty cameo devices beneath that toning. A decent original looking coin to be honest..
Every series has it's inherent problems, nuances etc which TPGs must take into account when trying to grade a coin. In this particular instance I think you are pinning faults of
The Royal Mint onto the grader and as such, unjustly punishing him for having an understanding of the series. Any and all grading companies have major faults and shining examples of how hard they can drop the ball, this coin is not one of them based of the provided set of pics.
Feel free to call me Will.