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Could This Be A New England Massachusetts Colony Token Or Coin?

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The coin/token as pictured below, has an uncanny similarity to the first Colony of Massachusetts shillings, sixpences and threepences.
Interesting that it has been struck near the edge like them.
The stamp reads P, retrograde N, E, D
This could be interpreted as Penny, New England, Denarius.
There were tokens in use at the Colony of Massachusetts contemporaneously on which both "penny" and/or "P" and/or "D" for "denarius" were displayed.
Another possibility is that the stamped cipher pertains to P for Samuel Paddy, and D for Jeremiah (Jeremie) Dummer, both apprenticed to the Colony of Massachusetts' mintmaster John Hull, a silversmith, in 1659. Paddy and Dummer were tasked with making coin dies for the Colony. The stamp is redolent of a silversmith maker's mark. More on this later.
I have studied the Colony's coins extensively and the history around them and have been of the opinion that the production of a farthing, half penny and penny must have been considered and actioned, especially as there was a dire shortage of coinage, and especially so the low denominations.
Appears to be feasibly 17th century.
Diameter is 21mm.
Weight is 6.39g
The weight corresponds to that of penny tokens of that period.
Appears to be bronze, brass, or latten. (to be tested)
This was originally sold with early American coins as a hitherto unknown Mexican Hacienda token unlisted in Grove, Rulau, Ekland/Noe. That description was obviously a shot in the dark by the seller. It actually bears little resemblance whatsoever to any listed hacienda token.



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I am not saying that it is an early Colony of Massachusetts penny, but am here to seek opinions.
I do realise that the chances are slim but I do think there is a chance that it could be an important pattern.
Even if it was an important early colonial proving it would obviously be a monumental task.
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@frei,first welcome to CCF.


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That description was obviously a shot in the dark by the seller.


Second, with regard to SARC, I'm not saying that they are infallible, but without any evidence to the contrary, I'd generally believe their hunches as to attribution.
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Thank-you for the welcomes to CCF. Much appreciated.
If XRF metallurgical analysis matches known mid to late 17th century profiles then that would exclude any known Mexican tokens by a minimum of 150 years. The metallurgical profiles of such tokens are highly distinctive.
The metallurgical profile could also indicate whether my item is 17th century or not.
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FWIW, in my seventy years of collecting, I've not before seen the like of this curious piece. It'd be interesting to know the metallic content.

My hunch is that it may be a circa 1700's era church penny or IOU of sorts ... redeemable in private treaty. I've a pair of early c/s'd pieces that appear tp have served similarly.
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