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1853 Seated Liberty Quarter With No Arrows

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I am new to the community, so bear with me. I have an inherited collection, mostly 19th and early 20th Century US coins, and have sold about a dozen coins via ebay, and have had pretty good results, to the satisfaction of all parties.

I have one coin, however, that, I think, is enough of a rarity that I wanted to solicit some advice before I do anything with it. It is an 1853 Seated Liberty quarter with No Arrows. This is not a particularly outstanding example - merely V/VG - but given how few of them apparently exist, I thought it merits a little special attention.

I have a few questions for the community:
If I wanted to sell it, what would be the best way of marketing/selling it?
It is ungraded - is it worth the time and expense of getting it graded?

Any thoughts, questions or comments are greatly appreciated.


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Thats a four figure coin even in that condition so it would
certainly be worth getting graded before selling.
Seeing you have used ebay with good results, why not
continue using them.
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Thanks. I have generally thought grading would not make a major difference for most of my coins (decent but not spectacular values), but in this case it seems like it might be worth it.
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Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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And it's nice to have someone else confirm my sense of the coin's value -- nice to know I'm not crazy or kidding myself.
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As for the 3 in the date -- what are your concerns? I know there are counterfeits out there.....
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The perceived value of this variety definitely makes it worth having it authenticated by PCGS or NGC. That said, I'd advise taking the coin to a major show. Therein, you could could engage some knowing eyes on the coin solicit opinions as to its being genuine. This simple step could save you time and money relative to the authentication process. Indeed, should the coin then be informally adjudged genuine, there may be a dealer at that show who could expedite submission to one of the two major TPG's.

Lastly, my personal preference for a dealer to assess this coin is Larry Briggs. He literally "wrote the book" on Liberty Seated coins. He sets up shop at many major shows.

BTW, to the CCF !!
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Send it in to Pcgs. I agree the 3 looks suspicious. If possible, post clearer photos.
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The 1853 no arrows/rays has a recut date, and yours appears to be authentic. Most of these were melted down.
This coin is also often faked by tooling an 1858, so getting it slabbed as authentic will help you if you decide to sell.
A TPG would grade this G4, details.
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A lot of the 1858 were modified to 1853. I have to agree that the 3 on the OP coin could be modified from a 1858.

OP Below
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Genuine about the same wear
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Genuine 1858
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Comparing Slider images, beside the questionable 3, the top of the genuine 18 "5" 3 seems to be slanting further to the right. I agree this needs to be authenticated.
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Viewing Slider23s photos makes me lean towards a tooled 58
Just comparing the 5s in both dates makes me state my opinion.
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Hi All -- many thanks for all this input -- I really appreciate it. Looking closely I see why you are questioning it. Attaching a couple close shots.
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There are tool marks inside of the 3, and the font is of the tail of the 5 is the same as the 1858. It looks like a tooled 1858.
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