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 Posted 04/22/2017  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paxbrit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For the record, Venezuela produces oil at $27.50 a barrel, and sells it for over $50 a barrel. The drop in oil prices is not the reason for their governmental collapse.
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 Posted 04/22/2017  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Had oil prices not dropped massively, people might be showing Venezuela as a shining example of it [socialism] working.


So Venezuela needs prices back near, like, the all time high of $140 or so as opposed to the current $50 for its economy to be viable? Good luck with that model! It's Venezuela's abuse of foreign oil technology companies (like they're begging to be paid for their services in Bolivares, anyway) that's led to a precipitous falloff in oil production, the price notwithstanding. It's actually not socialism per se that's the issue. Alaska is "socialist" if you take that as meaning spreading around the at least some of that state's share of oil profits amongst the populace. Venezuela's petro-wealth isn't being utilized to better the lives of its citizens. It's lip service socialism, rhetoric without substance.

What's really wrong with Venezuela is the conviction, indeed hubris, of the government that they know how to run everything better than the "evil capitalist" experts. Now they've tried to value their currency by fiat, except that everybody outside the country remains free to make their own judgments as to its true worth.


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...they can't get supplies anyway, and the government took over their plant.


My first thought being that all the workers there are certainly out of a job in short order, and thus a new burden on this overextended government, the the faciliy itself becomes instantly a white elephant whose bones will soon be being bleached by the tropical sun....

Colligo ergo sum
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04/23/2017 08:02 am
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Over the weekend, Venezuela held an "election" to establish an special assembly whose purpose will be to change the country's constitution. The ballots only had a provision to vote "yes" - there wasn't any "no" box to check. This is widely seen as a ploy by President Nicolas Maduro to provide a "democratic" basis for assuming more or less dictatorial powers. According to some news reports, he'll now attempt to appoint his wife as the head of this assembly.

It's hard to see how such antics might in any way alleviate the present wretched conditions with which the Venezuelan people must daily contend, and in fact the chances of a popular uprising or military coup would seem to have been enhanced.

The currency, of course, continues to lose value.

See: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...colas-maduro

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 Posted 11/13/2017  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Carrigna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lucky Cuss,

It is a sad state of affairs in Venezuela. I do feel for people struggling to feed themselves, finding necessities and medicines and other things.

I paid about $20 for 2 x 500 bolivar notes and that was in early 1990s. Now I wish I had not paid for these notes.

It reminds me of one time that my best friend tried to contact me but could not get ahold of me. He decided to buy a Soviet 50 ruble note from a Russian for $50. When he got home from the trip, he was so happy and excited about helping me out with my hobby. He presented the note to me. I was thrilled at that time. I thank him profusely for I know he has zero interest in my hobby yet he was nice enough to help me out. Afterwards, he asked me how much is the note worth in USD. I told it is 50 cents according to the latest exchange rate. Never forgot his face....he was so upset. I felt so bad and asked him what was the matter. He explained what happened. I got so upset as well and very, very angry at that Russian. At least, we sort of helped a Russian out because at that time, he probably could not afford much when visiting the USA. I still have the note. If only, I can find a sucker to buy it off. Just kidding!
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A couple more relatively recent articles on this topic. Both do cite the decline in the price of oil from its unsustainable peak as a contributing factor in Venezuela's present dire circumstances.

See:

http://www.businessinsider.com/stat...lapse-2017-8

And:

https://www.aier.org/research/venez...mic-collapse

On a less technical level, another article, albeit written almost two years ago, shows clearly the other side of the situation, which is the Venezuelan government's utterly repressive response to its new found inability to any longer finance its socialist agenda.

See:

https://www.activistpost.com/2016/0...ks-like.html

(Please note that I'm not necessarily endorsing the above website on the whole, just identifying this article as particularly interesting)

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Enter the 'petro': Venezuela to launch oil-backed cryptocurrency

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...dUSKBN1DX0SQ

'' The leftist leader offered few specifics about the currency launch or how the struggling OPEC member would pull off such a feat, but he declared to cheers that "the 21st century has arrived!"

"Venezuela will create a cryptocurrency," backed by oil, gas, gold and diamond reserves, Maduro said in his regular Sunday televised broadcast, a five-hour showcase of Christmas songs and dancing. ''

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 Posted 12/04/2017  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paxbrit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Translation : Despite being unable to maintain a viable national currency given our large pools of natural resources such as oil, gas, gold, and diamonds, due to ideological stupidity, I'm going to sell futures derivatives for our public resources to non-national banks and pocket the money.
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 Posted 01/18/2018  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The already grim outlook for Venezuela's economic prospects seems to only get worse.

See: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-o...dUKKBN1F72JM

I'm not sure what the unofficial exchange rate for the Bolivar even is now, or what denominations are yet circulating. However, there's a chart tracking the minimum wage in Venezuela which is revealing.

See: https://tradingeconomics.com/venezu...inimum-wages

Certainly under these circumstances there's zero incentive to set aside any income. As was the case in Germany circa 1923, a person would be foolish to do anything but spend all money received as quickly as possible on whatever can be had in order to maximize purchasing power.

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 Posted 01/18/2018  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add garys64wildcat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a Venezuela silver dime size coin that I could get a lot of bolivars bills for that one
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I've located a website that supposedly is the most reliable source as to the true rate of exchange for the Bolivar, as opposed to any "official" one which the government maintains should apply. The data is gathered via continuing surveys conducted among underground moneychangers operating in Venezuela. This methodology comes up with the result that as of today it actually takes almost 202,000 Bolivars to purchase 1 Dollar!

See: https://dolartoday.com/

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On top of everything else, this appeared in the newsfeed today, that Venezuela will in fact press ahead with the "Petro", a digital currency tied to crude oil.

See: http://www.caribbean360.com/busines...tal-currency

It seems as if the government would very much like to abandon the now nearly worthless Bolivar. To be fair, this really isn't a bad tactic under the circumstances. In 1923, the German government stabilized its hyperinflation crisis by ditching the mark for what was known as the rentenmark, a substitute backed by the tangible wealth the country had left, which was agricultural and commercial land holdings, which had to be mortgaged under the plan. That last detail may be the sticking point for Venezuela, as it doesn't sound as if the government intends to allow any sort of lien to be placed against its oil reserves, but simply to sell the new currency to investors who are bullish on the future price of a barrel of oil. The difference would seem to be what would be an oil based currency as opposed to an oil backed one. I'm also wondering how such an oil based currency dovetails with the reality of shrinking production and revenue - but perhaps that's irrelevant if it's merely pegged to a specific oil price index, and maybe that's intentional. Finally, I have doubts about the utility and accessibility of a digital currency for a great many ordinary (as in impoverished) Venezuelans.

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01/19/2018 3:46 pm
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The latest chapter of this saga has now officially begun. It's not clear to me what now becomes of Venezuela's circulating banknotes.

See: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/20/ven...economy.html

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Wow! and I thought the issue was the government's "investment" just wasn't working the way they thought it was supposed to work. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
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A better plan would be to sell a billion barrels of oil and introduce the US dollar bill as the national currency, but Maduro is far too stupidly ideological to take such a step.

Ecuador and Panama wised up years ago.
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Ecuador and Panama wised up years ago.

Not meaning to go off on a tangent, but I'm not sure about Panama (albeit for many years their coinage was struck by the U.S. Mint). Another Latin American country for which the U.S. Dollar is the official currency is El Salvador. In the Caribbean, the U.S. Dollar is used by both the British Virgin Islands and the British Turks and Caicos, which frankly astonishes me, although I guess it makes perfect sense from a tourism standpoint.

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