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1859 Cent With An Interesting Lamination Problem..

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 Posted 02/12/2016  9:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialtokens to your friends list
Now we have planchets made of bronze, brass, and wood.
Most interesting.
I hate these vanilla 59's.
They are very difficult to attribute.

doug
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 Posted 02/12/2016  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list
Could it be 481 48 + J7. The loop 2 looks similar. DEVLEC, is there any doubling at the bottom of the 9?
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 Posted 02/12/2016  10:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgHoarder to your friends list

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..but it arrived with that squarish piece missing and now showing an exposed piece of "something" inside that cent.


so was the missing piece in the package?
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 Posted 02/13/2016  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list
Sadly,..it was not in the package. It was roughly taped without protection to the interior of a card.

It would have been fine if it had been in a 2x2 or plastic slip.

I think that the seller picked at the piece after seeing something there.

Good News..Bad News...

The bad side is the small piece is gone..

The good news is that "if" it had been complete as this pic shows,..I would never have known about the strange lamination going on underneath as the coin would have looked like this last pic....

So I'm still a happy camper with this one..

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 Posted 02/13/2016  11:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list

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Could it be 481 48 + J7. The loop 2 looks similar. DEVLEC, is there any doubling at the bottom of the 9?


Thanks Phil..That could be the perfect match..

I do think that there is something going on with the 9..

More pics later..
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 Posted 02/13/2016  11:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list
What an incredibly interesting find! A great surprise to find something so interesting was hidden beneath the piece of missing lamination. In 1859 when this penny was minted, who can imagine the working conditions within The Royal Mint but it certainly woukd be classified as primative compared to modern standards. Sawdust covered dirt floors, wooden work benches.....?
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 Posted 02/13/2016  2:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list
A very interesting cent indeed.

okiecoiner feels that there are 9 of them out there..

As there were ~ 9 million 59's..and this might be one in a million..

...a few more close-ups..

..and as Phil suggested above..


PC59-481 dies 48+J7..and RP's in the "O" and "T" and the DP's in 8..5..and 9..


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 Posted 02/14/2016  10:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list

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okiecoiner feels that there are 9 of them out there..

As there were ~ 9 million 59's..and this might be one in a million..





Now Jim's example explains about a circular crack from leaf 12 over to leaf 13..

Does that mean that it could represent yet another interesting lamination (a la.. okiecoiner's series ...)..)

..or maybe close to what I have here..?

That might be a fun PC59-481 to add here and compare to..

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 Posted 02/14/2016  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list
This coin needs an XRF
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 Posted 02/14/2016  12:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list
Time for SPP to step in now...with his opinion on this wacky cent..
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 Posted 02/14/2016  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fourmack to your friends list

One very interesting coin which will mystify even the experts.
But I think Okiecoiner may have the answer.
Cheers Don

Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut.
"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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 Posted 02/14/2016  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list

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But I think Okiecoiner may have the answer.


Okiecoiner is the best of resource person..
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 Posted 02/15/2016  07:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list
Nice photos of the details, DEVLEC. I can see the circular crack Dr. Haxby refers to in the photos of the lamination area in your first post. The crack comes out of leaf 12 and goes to the tip of leaf 13. Could the missing piece have gotten stuck to the tape that was holding the coin. I imagine you've already checked that. Just thought I'd ask in case you haven't.
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 Posted 02/15/2016  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list

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I imagine you've already checked that..


Thanks Phil,.. for the added Dr.Haxby info..and yes I checked very carefully for the missing piece.

I also contacted the seller and asked him (by chance) to also have a close look..but I knew that that was next to impossible for such a small piece..and the very sloppy taping of this cent.

It's still a cool coin to have to help fill in some of the on-goings of the mint processes way back then..
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 Posted 02/15/2016  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Phil310 to your friends list
A very cool coin! And as you said, perhaps even more interesting with the piece gone.
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