1849 Seated Liberty Half Dime - Overdate?

OK, I've had another crack at a photo during prime daylight hours with more adjustments to the camera settings, so hopefully a further improvement. Still learning the camera and the macro lens.

Thanks for the feedback on photos and variety possibilities. It's funny: the text in the Breen photo says no normal dates are reported. Yeoman does have a "normal date" as an option.

I have pointed out very minor doubling at the top of the one. It's there, but it's faint. The four has a secondary shadow along most of it along the undersides, in addition to whatever is going on with the crosslet on the four. There's also some weirdness in among the nine, and still that little thing poking off the right side of it, which is pretty distinctive if it's not PMD. The cuts of the 8 and 9 are quite different to the one you've shown, makecents.

I had to do a double take on the die crack, Altaira. I was wondering how I missed it, but then on the holder I had noted it back when I first put it in there. It is quite distinctive. Mind you, I've had this nearly 20 years. I'll see about submitting it to COC.

ETA: The difference between an overdate and a repunched date seemed like semantics to me. What is the difference?

In short, RPD's are re-punched digits of the same numbers, much like an RPM. OVD's (overdates) are from leftover working dies that had old dates punched in them already and a new, different date, was punch over the old, existing date. Here is a link that explains it more in depth.

Wexler link. https://doubleddie.com/58327.html

Very clear repunched date. No trace of a different date here, simply an 1849 punched twice.

Appears to be V-9 based off of Cummins's Half Dime variety guide: https://sites.google.com/view/clint...bution-guide

Thanks for further thoughts and opinions. All welcomed and much appreciated.

Having looked through that book, Altaira, I think it most closely aligns with 8a (obverse) and 6 (reverse) on page 55. The photos were just a little too fuzzy to make much of.

It was also weirdly hard to navigate the page. There was a scroll up, but not a scroll down, I could use an arrow up or down for a press or two, but then it started moving the whole page. I could zoom in, but I couldn't maximise the "video". I was able to have a look at it all, but it was peculiar. Good resource, though. Cheers.

I also had to go have a look at photograde on PCGS to get a better understanding of what they meant about the fonts on the reverse. I only have a few Seated Liberty half dimes, so I didn't realise the variability in the fonts or the dates, for that matter. Dates really moved around a lot even in a given year, including 1849. And the reverse fonts varied wildly.

I'm still wondering what the little dag at the right of the 9 is. Is that PMD?

Here's another, better photo of the reverse.

To me, it looks like a possible die gouge. You can see it traveling northwest inside of the 9 too and no damage to the coin that I can tell, which is why I think it is maybe a die gouge.

It's not an overdate and neither is the NGC image.

Thanks, tanner, makecents, altaira and all for feedback. So many helpful folks, it's hard to keep track. Glad to be clear on the difference between an RPD and OD. I'm still kind of staggered by the difference in reverse fonts. I guess that's 19th century coin making for you.

It does look live V9, tanner, although there's still the little element off the right of the nine, a die gouge as makecents suggests. In the Valentine's the closest I could get was V8a obverse/V6 obverse.

Tanman2001, I not aware of that website. Thanks for the link, always good to see collectors are still doing the good work.

You got yourself an attribution! Cummins' V-9 corresponds to Valentine's obverse V-8a and reverse V-6. Buffalo soldat, if you send an email to the webmaster, maybe he has some more information about the anomaly on the "9" that's still unpublished.

Use this link to see the Daniel Valentine book full screen. I don't know how to zoom it in on the NNP website either.
https://archive.org/details/uniteds...shalf00vale/
An updated reprint of this book was published in 1975, referenced as the "Quarterman reprint", but I can't find it.

Something else I came across while searching, Breen supplement to Valentine's Half Dimes book: https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/535864
The NNP is a truly treasure trove for stuff like this.