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I second that opinion. 
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Pillar of the Community
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Yep, cool avatar!
I can't help because I collect coins for pleasure, not for value. My investments are currently about 95% in stock and bond mutual funds, and 5% in PMs.
I've been very pleased with how that has portfolio has grown over the last 15 years fueled by the 500% increase in U.S. stock values.
Edited by tdziemia 09/01/2026 4:22 pm
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Valued Member
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Sage advice Sap. 
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Valued Member
United States
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The first step to investing wisely is knowledge. Find an area you are interested in and learn all you can, then buy the coins. One of the things I did back in the early 80's was to take a set of Red Books and look at the key dates in many series in VF-XF. I typed in 25 years worth of data and compared the results. While many series showed positive results, some stood out. I invested in those series and collected in other series that I just liked. I am now in the process of selling everything off and I am very happy with the results. The stuff I liked has done almost as well as the investment material. Time, demand, and real rarity are your best friends, but only after knowledge.
"I like money. I can't believe you like money, too. We should hang out." Frito
Member CONECA, Early American Coppers, NETCC
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Best thing to do is to keep educating yourself. Sap summed it quite well.
While I am lucky that a few in my collection have gone up in value, there are some that I bought at peak and are not worth what I paid back then. Just because a coin may be rare and low mintage, it is a dangerous approach to assume that prices will increase. There are some rare coins that I looked at over the years. Some that I have been chasing for a long period of time - while out of my reach, have actually dropped in value and that does not take account of inflation.
Like any investments, there are always ups and down. Even with precious metals, there can be risks. If you bought gold and silver at the peak of 1980, you would have to wait for at least 20 years for price to recover after taking account of inflation.
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None. They're generally absolutely terrible 'investments' and all evidence backs this up. People who make money in numismatics do so in the margins between buying and selling.
There are obviously a few flukes and edge cases but overall there's basically no coin (other than bitcoin) from any decade in the past 50 years where you were better off buying that coin versus taking that same amount of money and just putting it in an index fund.
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Pillar of the Community
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Rare high value coins and valuable artwork have absolutley beaten the stock market numerous times and were good investments. But you have to be rich to be in those arenas.
Just buying bullion gold has beaten the stock market some years. This is why some financial planners recommend people have about 5% or so of their portfolio in gold/silver for the bad times like the great depression. I bought silver back when it was under $15 oz. I bought gold bullion at less than $1,200 oz. It may not have done as good as my mutual funds but it's still doing fine, haven't sold any. Besides it's a lot more fun having/holding gold/silver than just looking at an annual investment report.
Collecting modern coins is mostly a hobby and not an investment in my opinion. Some money can be made buying selling them but you have to know what you are doing. It's like other hobbies golf, fishing, hunting, traveling, whatever except you still have some value in your coins to sell or pass on to family.
I did a little research a while back. According to my math from 1970 to about mid 2019 gold went up about 3,743%, the DJIA went up about 3,184% not counting dividends. Of course a person can pick any time period to show either stocks or gold did better.
I think it's wise for people to fund a retirement plan if they can, 401K, Roth, have some money saved for emergencies. But enjoy life, spend some money on things you like such as coins.
Edited by livingwater Yesterday 12:05 am
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Quote: But enjoy life, spend some money on things you like such as coins.  Coins are a consumable expense in my budget. I never plan to sell them, so the gains or losses are not important to me. I just enjoy them for a very long time. 
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Quote: What Would Be A Good Investment In Numismatic Items? Don't start collecting 
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Valued Member
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Quote: not counting dividends Sort of like saying 'not counting felonies, this area has no serious crime'. Dividend reinvesting and compounding is one of the most essential components of successful long term investing.
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Pillar of the Community
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Dividend reinvesting is significant but not the major source for building retirement accounts, certainly not "felony" level for me not making an effort to calculate it, maybe a minor misdemeanor. Some companies don't pay dividends and those that do vary by how much, sometimes it's 1% or so. I have individual stocks that have done well and don't pay dividends at all such as Berkshire Hathaway B shares, Amazon. I've been investing in mutual funds monthly for over 35 years, started out young with what I could afford at the time, $25/month then gradually increased it. This is in addition to my employer retirement plan. I've been just a carpenter/painter but worked extra side jobs to get ahead. My wife is conservative with her money also. I agree one smart way to build wealth is start as soon as possible and invest regularly.in mutual funds/stocks/bonds. There's other ways too. Start a business and work your rear off to try and succeed. Years ago a friend started buying run down rental properties, fixed them up one by one himself, now owns six of them making good income. But to me it's good to have some gold/silver too for those who like it and can afford it. Some years gold has done better than stocks including dividends.
Edited by livingwater Today 5H 59M ago
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Quote: Dividend reinvesting and compounding is one of the most essential components of successful long term investing. Dividend funds should be a part of an investors stock portfolio. I do not see my numismatic collections as an investment, rather as an enjoyable hobby. However, I do have some silver and gold bullion as a safety net if fiat currency crashes. .. 
Edited by Sharks Today 4H 26M ago
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Bedrock of the Community
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Late to the discussion.... Excellent summation, Sap!
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United States
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Quote: I have individual stocks that have done well and don't pay dividends at all such as Berkshire Hathaway B shares No dividends are really an enormous deal when it comes to compounding and you just cited perhaps the perfect example of a holding company that has proven it in spades. Buffett has talked at length about it. BRK never paid a dividend to shareholders but absolutely did do buybacks instead and largely because WB knew his talent as a capital manager would result in better return on equity for shareholders than a cash dividend, but his KO holdings did a lot of heavy dividend lifting for the past 40 years. AI did some napkin math but if you put 10k into gold, 10k in KO stock set to DRIP and 10k in nice uncirculated 1909 SVDB Lincoln Cents in 1986, here's the outcome. Quote:
Final Tally (all three $10k investments from 1986, with dividends/positions reinvested):
Gold $10,000 $120,413 12x
Coca-Cola (DRIP) $10,000 $330,000-$410,000 33-41x
1909-S VDB coins $10,000 $19,200-$24,500 1.9-2.5x
Coca-Cola crushes both by 10-20x. Gold beats coins 5-6x. Rare coins are a terrible pure capital appreciation play vs equities—they're hobbyist holdings with numismatic, not financial, payoff. That's not cherry-picking timelines or examples.
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Pillar of the Community
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Just make sure the dividends are "qualified" (i.e., from stocks you are holding a long time). That triggers the long-term capital gains tax instead of the short-term capital gains tax.
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