A Charles 20-P - Not A Circulation Find Though.

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Bacchus2 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2908 Posts	Posted 07/26/2026 02:26 am I picked up this Charles I - Scottish 20 Pence coin minted 1637-1642. Alas it would be pretty unlikely to find one in change today. Edinburgh mint. My Papal States coin collection: https://diadumenian.com/Papal%20Sta...0States.html Medieval coins collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Europe.html Indian Rupee Collection: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...0Rupees.html Minor world Silver: https://diadumenian.com/Congressofp...20coins.html Report this Post to the Staff

HondoB Bedrock of the Community United States 26256 Posts	Posted 07/26/2026 1:31 pm That's a cool coin, Bacchus. I really like the design. Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures Report this Post to the Staff
augsburger Pillar of the Community Germany 1066 Posts	Posted 07/26/2026 8:32 pm More likely to pick up that Charles 20p than a modern Charles 20p in circulation. Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 76152 Posts	Posted 07/26/2026 11:12 pm Great acquisition, Bacchus2! Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 191622 Posts	Posted 07/27/2026 10:48 am Very nice! Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16909 Posts	Posted 07/27/2026 7:14 pm To avoid the confusion implied by the OP's title, a Scottish 20 pence coin from the reign of one of the earlier Charleses would normally be abbreviated "20d" rather than "20p". I wish someone would tell the American TPGs this. They have the annoying tendency to abbreviate both the decimal and predecimal penny as "P". Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
daltonista Pillar of the Community United States 1070 Posts	Posted Yesterday 10:28 am Lovely acquisition, Bacchus2! Also, concurring with SAP: Quote: I wish someone would tell the American TPGs this. They have the annoying tendency to abbreviate both the decimal and predecimal penny as "P". ...among other offenses! My continual beef with TPG's is attribution, or cataloging, errors, which I see all the time in my tiny field. "If everything seems to be under control, you're just not going fast enough." --- Mario Andretti Report this Post to the Staff
daltonista Pillar of the Community United States 1070 Posts	Posted Yesterday 11:29 am No surprise, since I've had almost no exposure to Scottish coinage, but the legends on this 20d piece threw me a bit. Here's the helpful paragraph I quickly found online in J.D. Robertson's 1878 "Handbook to the Coinage of Scotland." My Latin's pretty rusty, but I'd go with this loose translation of the reverse legend: "Justice will strengthen the throne." It's hard for me, with my scant background in the history of that era, to be sure whether that was meant as a threat from the King to his subjects or as a comfort to them. "If everything seems to be under control, you're just not going fast enough." --- Mario Andretti Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16909 Posts	Posted Yesterday 11:32 pm Quote: My Latin's pretty rusty, but I'd go with this loose translation of the reverse legend: "Justice will strengthen the throne." It's hard for me, with my scant background in the history of that era, to be sure whether that was meant as a threat from the King to his subjects or as a comfort to them. Charles I was an absolutist - meaning the whole concept of "ruling through the consent of the governed" was objectionable to him. He ruled through Divine Right, and had the power to change laws at whim - or so he thought; Parliament was an advisory body only and ought not to attempt to overrule his will. As far as this king was concerned, He Is Justice. Showing "injustice" - by, for example, showing leniency to and tolerance for Presbyterians, Catholics and other rebels - would only weaken the throne. I believe this was the sentiment being aimed for with this motto. It was, of course, the clash between this absolutist monarch and an ever-emboldened Parliament that saw the commencement of the English Civil War just a few short years after this coin would have been minted, and ultimately cost Charles his divinely appointed head. Following the restoration of the monarchy, the Glorious Revolution and resultant Bill of Rights in 1689, England became a constitutional monarchy. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 191622 Posts	Posted Today 7H 23M ago Excellent history refresher, Sap. It is much appreciated. Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
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