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How Do You Determine The Condition Of A Coin?

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Coin collecting is an interesting hobby. Even though it's not for me, it's interesting to learn about how things work, especially the interpersonal and logistical aspects. It seems that the rest of the world can learn some valuable things from the coin collecting community.

I understand that there are 69 different grades for the condition of a coin. While the difference between one grade and the next one above and below it don't affect the value very much for most of the grades, it's different at the high end of the scale (mid-60s and higher).

How do you determine the condition of a coin? At the upper end of the scale (where minor differences make a HUGE difference in value), grading the coin is most difficult. It seems to me that you need a microscope to verify a claim of MS69.

How do you go about buying or selling a coin in those upper grades? Dealing with flawed and worn-out coins is relatively easy and straightforward for both the buyer and seller. There's no need to argue about the exact condition number, because that does not make a significant difference in value.

But for the upper grades, extra close scrutiny is necessary, and I can see the limitations of a coin show for this. The difference between MS68 and MS69 is so tiny that it's difficult to discern, but an MS69 coin can be worth at least 10 times as much as a similar MS68 coin. The coin dealers are busy dealing with attendees interested in buying and selling coins. The time pressure and the distraction from attendees running around can get in the way.

Is this where visiting the dealers at their physical stores during their normal business hours comes in? Given my experiences selling gold coins to local dealers in their own physical stores, I've realized that it's a much better environment for close scrutiny. It's so much quieter, and the dealer and customer can take all the time they need to discuss and examine everything.

I'm guessing that owning coins in those upper condition grades is for experienced coin collectors and not newbies, who are definitely not positioned to distinguish between MS68 and MS69 and have not yet had a chance to establish rapport with anyone. I figure that the experienced people have built rapport with dealers and fellow collectors during the course of their coin collecting adventures. Just as the best deals at coin shows happen among the dealers before the public is allowed to enter, an individual collector who has built rapport with a particular dealer can get better deals than someone who hasn't.
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The grades range from 1 to 70. In the lower grades it's fairly easy to tell for example an XF45 to AU 55 but as grading is subjective I have seen coins graded AU58, then resubmitted and getting a grade of MS64.

In the higher grades between MS60 and MS64 you should be able to see less distracting marks. At MS65-66 you should see a mostly clean coin with no distracting marks. 67 is the transition, basically a well struck coin with lots of visual appeal. MS68 is generally the highest you can get for most classic coins, excellent visual appeal and very very clean (mostly mark free), some original toning marks the coin as original. It's very rare to see a classic coin be 69. In modern proof coinage 69/70 are essentially what you you get. The coins are minted, moved to a towel , reviewed and packaged. There is very little or no hitting of coins.

So to answer your question, in regular production, it gets hard to get the higher grades as they aren't cared for as well as proof coins and therefore having a higher grade becomes rare and the coin with the highest grade becomes more valuable. The difference between ms 65 and 67 are noticeable , 68 is usually the pinnacle of a classic coin and mostly modern coinage gets to the lofty 69/70 grade.
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The value difference comes from having the coins slabbed in that grade. MS67 vs MS68 is enormously subjective, you are basically arguing over a few tiny blemishes and whether they are too big or placed in an acceptable area. Also about whether strike is strong enough, and the subjective eye appeal of toning. The grading companies are notoriously inconsistent on this line—indeed, the ANA guidelines themselves are short and vague.
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