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Maybe PCGS thought the colors were artificially done with chemicals and not natural aged toning. All the dark spots especially on reverse are probably environmental damage.
Edited by livingwater
07/08/2026 7:16 pm
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ICCS says this is a 'mint state 63' coin.
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Maybe someone changed the coin's surface color after PCGS graded it, improved it's appearance, colored it to an all brown patina which could have improved the grade, it looks different in the ICCS photo. Or perhaps it's just the lighting. All the major grading companies sometimes get it wrong. I have a mislabled PCGS graded coin with the wrong year LOL
I don't know anything about ICCS so can't comment about them.
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07/08/2026 8:28 pm
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It's the same coin PCGS assigned a very obvious and warranted details grade. ICCS said it's a problem free mint state coin.
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The PCGS TRUE VIEW photos are great for showing blemishes like the environmental damage on that large cent, but when you have the coin in (holder) in hand in might not be so apparent, which is I think what happens often when a PCGS or NGC coin with "details" gets cracked and submitted to other TPGs that don't have photo database. Unfortunately, it then becomes buyer beware when looking at the photos of a coin in a soft holder from ICCS or CCCS (Canadian TPGs). As previously mentioned, probably safe to stay away from a coin you can't return if you're not happy with it in hand. I will say though, IMO that that is still one hell of a coin...details or not, in that grade/condition. The store that coin is from in the ICCS holder (you can tell from the logo), is great. They accept returns if you aren't happy, and that's how all sellers should conduct business. I never hesitate to buy from them, even when the pictures might make me wonder...
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Yes, that's disappointing. Sorry you got burned somewhat. I've never been a proponent of TPG for many years now. Frankly I think its a waste of $. However, collectors are terrified of purchasing a counterfeit coin so I suppose they prefer TPG for that reason. This is why I've been working on Die Studies, especially for the Victorian era. It provides collectors references whereby they can be rest assured that if their unslabbed coin is in the study its genuine, negating the need for authentication aspect of TPG. Die studies also can identify strike issues for certain die pairs so that a coin that may be deemed VF at first glance may actually be an AU because the strike was so poor. Most people with reasonably acute observation skills should be able to grade their coin within half a grade of reality with a bit of practice and the right references. Obviously TPG won't like what I have to say here, but it is nevertheless the truth. |
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There's a market reality to TPGs that exists whether we like it or not; they determine a marketable grade and until a coin is in a credible TPG holder, its marketability is diminished. In a perfect world, there would be no need for them but we live in this world where sadly, they're important to the marketability of the coin. I believe ICCS may be (rapidly) diminishing as a credible grading entity, based on the grading standards the market now demands and some of their grading practices that have come to light. Edited by LandonM
07/14/2026 4:10 pm
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