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 Posted 08/19/2016  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveInTampa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Is this a mule by chance? how do you tell?


I'm pretty sure yours is a Mule.

The way you tell is the back plate location. The series 1922 $20 Gold Certificate Mules have the back plate number on the upper left hand side below the word UNITED. Non-Mules have the back plate number on the upper right hand side below the word AMERICA.

Beautiful 1934A Kansas City $100 Mr.Frog, and nice $5 WheatBack (too bad about that tape), and although the 1922 $20 Gold Cert is maybe a VF, it has great margins and retains much of the orange color on the back.
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Flick - A mule is a note with a micro size check number on one side and a macro size on the other side (hence the term "mule", which is a cross between a horse and a donkey).

For small size notes, these varieties occurred during the change from Series 1934 notes (micro numbers) to 1934-A (macro numbers) - the older plates were not retired prematurely and were often paired with the newer macro plates to create "mules". It is not necessary to compare the sizes today; researchers have determined the cut-off points on all check numbers for all series. These can be found in the "Standard Guide to Small-Size US Paper Money" by Schwartz and Lindquist, a very affordable book.

For large size notes, Steve is correct a usual - it is the location of the check numbers that is the quick way to identify mules, unlike with small notes, where the position remained the same but the size changed.

Clear?
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 Posted 08/19/2016  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Flick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome. Thanks for all the info SteveInTampa and Coinfrog! I still have a lot to learn. I'll definitely look into that book.
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A very rare Treasury signature combo on this 1882 $5 Value Back. (Fr. 575b)

This bank originally had 'German' in its title and was then changed to something more patriotic during the WWI era, thus giving it a (possibly unique) Friedberg number only used for this bank.

As many have noticed my notes are quite circulated, but some are nearly impossible to find. So you have to sacrifice condition for rarity sometimes.

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Wheat - Great story! This was the same reason that the royal family of Great Britain changed their house name from "Saxe-Coburg-Gotha" to "Windsor" in 1917. Bad handle during those times.
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tech - You've been busy! Nice notes, especially the Wide/Narrow pair at that price.
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tech - You've been busy! Nice notes, especially the Wide/Narrow pair at that price.


Coinfrog, yep busy for sure; gotta get the deals when you can as they are seldom.
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Very cool note, Wheatback! Its rough but I bet if that note could talk it would have some good stories to tell. Nice assortment techwriter! Gotta love those good deals. picked these up yesterday. Just a few types that I didn't have examples of yet.




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Oooooh, nice notes, Flick! Really like that Grant!

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Nice notes! That $10 star is a beauty.
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Thanks CelticKnot and Coinfrog! I'm pretty happy with this group and I feel like I got a good deal on them. Can't wait to get more!
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Flick - Quick quiz: Would you say your $10 '34-A star is a mule or not?
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It looks like the plate numbers on both sides are the same larger (macro) size so that means it isn't. right?
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Flick - well done, grasshopper!

tech - nice pickup.
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Picked this up recently. It is hardly rare or even scarce, but the price was right so I grabbed it. Notable as being from the very first block of the "new" Series 1917 $1 USNs (Teehee/Burke sigs) and probably printed in 1917.

This long-lived design, first adopted in 1869, was finally retired shortly thereafter in 1922, but not before a five-year production run of about one BILLION notes!

Next to the (beyond) abundant $1 1923 SC, this is the most commonly-available large size note.


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