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What Happens To Gold And Silver Next? Look Out Below?

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 Posted 06/30/2014  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok-

In the coming days, if gold and silver are to retain their previous gains, they should, going forward, have minimal losses. THey should just chop around and do nothing, just think of it as "boring" and the less they give up, the better.


Last week silver tried to move higher from 21.17 and ended up reversing on Friday, leading to the gap down today. Gold appears to be in much better shape for now, above 1331.40 and we could see higher prices. Lets see if for now tho it can hold its gains and trade sideways.

As always, the element of time is what will work these things out, either it reaches these price points or it doesn't, its very quite simple. This will require patience to sit tight and observe.

One can go on and on with supposed theories why these prices should or will be reached, but guess what if the market doesn't move in the direction of those numbers, NOTHING is going to get them going.

Everything is decided by the markets and in the end they will price in the next direction of gold and silver.
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 Posted 06/30/2014  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
the US dollar is NOT being destroyed, that is a myth. The USD is not always going down and wont always be down.

The USD is the worlds ultimate safe haven currency and world's top reserve currency. Everyone from China to Russia and countless countries in the world hold it, buy it and add it to their reserves.

Anyone who thinks the dollar will be destroyed is wrong and like Jim said, anyone wanting that basically wanting complete destruction of their savings and portfolios.

A very common talking point by the gold and silver bugs is that a weak dollar = stronger gold and silver. That also is a myth. Correlations come and go and dont always exist together, thats been proven with the downtrend in the PMs.

What needs to be always remembered is that gold and silver are nothing more than another asset class to speculate on. Like other financial assets, they come and go and are priced based on what the market is anticipating in the future.
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 Posted 06/30/2014  1:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Anyone who thinks the dollar will be destroyed is wrong and like Jim said, anyone wanting that basically wanting complete destruction of their savings and portfolios.


Well after 2008 and %30 to %40 or so of my investments wiped out I said screw that , if I am to lose I will do it in my own way instead of having some investment guy tell me this or that is the best place to put my money only to find out its because he makes more commission and that is the only reason he is recommending it.

I don't keep much cash anymore and "Zero" investments... well except for my home....and maybe I will regret it someday but atleast I can say...I did it my way.... good or bad.

Plus I get to look at "shinny stuff" "in hand" instead of a piece of paper that comes in the mail saying how much my so called investments have lost value. If things do go to crap I wont survive long on a stack of investment reports...well they would be good to start my wood stove with I guess for the short term. I guess that would be a "short term" fire starter fund....



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06/30/2014 1:53 pm
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 Posted 06/30/2014  2:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverTracker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The US dollar is my opinion being challenged by countries trying to become a financial contender in the world economy. I mean one example is just follow what Russia is doing in the energy market these days. Signing energy contracts with China and other countries. This is just one way the US dollar is going to weaken but not to the point of being wiped out. Many countries are building wealth in different ways but one common way I have read is by buying Gold and Silver. China just built a massive vault to hold what they are purchasing. Mexico, Brazil and Russia (Im sure there are more countries) are also acquiring more precious metals for their reserves. So I don't believe they are keeping our currency in their possession as reserves they are keeping our debt.
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 Posted 06/30/2014  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First, very interesting price action put here in gold and silver. reversing the earlier losses. Big clue that the buyers are still in control.

@northerncoins

Here's the thing: much as you are doing, investments in markets should be done by individuals, not by investment professionals. Why do I say this? Because for starters as you said, financial advisers as an example, or wealth management houses make money first and foremost on commissions. There really is no incentive for them to make you better returns.

So yea, if you are going to lose money, do it yourself.


That said, not all wealth managers and FA is terrible. The way to find out what they are doing is their relationships with the products they want you to park your money in for starters.

Finally, markets worth in both directions, up and down. The thing would be to sell short while the markets are dropping or pull money out.

With the power of the internet, social media, and many many many publications out there, one can take control of their finances and make money or preserve capital.

Finally,,, if one were to just stick money in the indices, whether it be US markets, Canadian markets, or other world markets right now you would be up and beyond 2008. So to say that investing is a bad idea just isn't really fair.

But hey, if you are happy with the shiny stuff and feel better with metals, coins, hey then do what makes you happy. All I can say is I dont want anyone losing money in PMs, that if you gotta buy and like buying, then buy wisely.
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 Posted 06/30/2014  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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With the power of the internet, social media, and many many many publications out there, one can take control of their finances and make money or preserve capital.


I hear ya, but I am tired , worked most of my life as a blue collar worker and I don't have the stamina or desire at this stage of my life to learn all that stuff, I am quite happy with my PMs and my Veggy garden and I now dont have the stress of having most having most of my money tied up in a bunch of investments that I have little or no control over.

You make your own happiness they say and atm I am quite happy....
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 Posted 07/01/2014  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JoshHellcat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The USD is not always going down and wont always be down.

How so? The United States Treasury aims for roughly 3% inflation per year. That means if we hit "optimal" inflation, the US Dollar has 3% less spending power every single year. That is why the average salary 60 years ago was $4,700. Our dollar has approx. 1/10th as much spending power as it did in 1954. Gold averaged at $35.04 in 1954, and today is $1327. That means the "spending power" of gold has gone up 37 times its value 60 years ago.

However, I understand your point. The USD is the stabilizing currency in the world, but I don't believe we can hold that title for too long.

Man, I wish I could of invested in gold in 1954
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 Posted 07/01/2014  1:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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However, I understand your point. The USD is the stabilizing currency in the world, but I don't believe we can hold that title for too long.

That I am hoping for a long, long time, but the scale is tipping to the other side every year.
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 Posted 07/01/2014  2:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Northerncoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Gold averaged at $35.04 in 1954, and today is $1327. That means the "spending power" of gold has gone up 37 times its value 60 years ago.


Man, I wish I could of invested in gold in 1954


Its not too late, I am sure you can find someone with a time machine set of plans that needs investment money....
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 Posted 07/01/2014  6:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Piffin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The value of Gold remains a constant.
It is the value of the dollar that has plummeted so much in all that time.
All of this talk of price and value is worthless without the context of "relative to WHAT"?
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 Posted 07/01/2014  10:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kg5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silver still looks to have strong sideways movement.

There does not look to be enough upward movement to say anything has really changed.

I found one of my friends uses price action to trade in shares.

It is very interesting to see his graphs over the last 7 years and how price action shows the way to go or not to go. I am starting to think that I can do this!

Little steps can do big things!
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 Posted 07/01/2014  11:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add duncanbishop24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Because for starters as you said, financial advisers as an example, or wealth management houses make money first and foremost on commissions. There really is no incentive for them to make you better returns.


Incentive to make you better returns is so they will keep your business and then when you share about how great a job your investment advisor has done, it will drum up more business. Happy clients increase your reputation, and therefore your business. Not all financial advisors are bad, some just want to churn commissions and take money from you and don't care. Others, like my father, strive to help his clients plan for retirement and their children's college costs, etc.

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 Posted 07/02/2014  10:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@kg5

yes, price action repeats itself and also confirms when to buy or sell or do nothing at all with an asset. All you need is the time and patience and observation skills and one can become very familiar with price and efficiently trade all sorts of assets.

The markets always show their hands.
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 Posted 07/02/2014  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The value of gold is determined by the market and no one else. Personal opinions are always wrong but markets are rarely wrong. The USD will always be the supreme world safe haven followed by US treasuries.

Price is always RIGHT and and markets dont care what your opinion is.
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 Posted 07/02/2014  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HawkHybrid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what's the current price action saying about the dollar?

I'm thinking it has further to weaken yet?

HH
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