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A Continuing Thread ~ Post Your Tokens, Medals, Exonumia Acquisitions

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 Posted 02/24/2019  1:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1975 Paul Revere's Midnight Ride .999 silver
Longines Symphonette
Whittnauer Mint


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These Longines Symphonette Wittnauer Mint medals come in a variety of compositions and in various subsets. This is from the 60 medal series Great American Triumphs. This is also .999 silver rather than another found more commonly in .925 sterling silver.

You can tell the series by the artwork on the reverse, this having an eagle and shield under the text.
I have other Paul Revere theme medals from different mints.

These are all nice medals shown below. First is a National Commemorative Society Franklin Mint medal, the second is a scarce medal sculpted and designed by Felix Schlag and the third is one of my 5 smaller Paul Revere medals that has the initials BT and as far as we have learned is perhaps a small mintage of 100?
I have 5 of these and have not seen any of these before or after I purchased them from the same source in three different purchases. Schlag's would still be my favorite.

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 Posted 02/24/2019  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
An update on this medal a few posts back.
http://goccf.com/t/301479&whichpage=110#2917745

It used to look like this . . .
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Some acetone soaking and Verdi-care transformed it to this!

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Excellent work conserving that SCD, TNG!!

Here is my latest add.

This silver shilling token was struck in London by "Henry Morgan", a prolific die-cutter and manufacturer of tokens for businesses and merchants to use. Dalton provides several original advertisements such as this one dated 12 October 1811:


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TOKENS OF SILVER for the convenience of Change, of an elegant and highly approved design, suited to general circulation, are made and sold by ROYAL LICENCE and AUTHORITY, and Dies for Tokens, engraved according to any wished for Design, by directing to H. M., Die Cutter and Medallist, No. 12, Rathbone Place, London.

N.B. Tokens will be sent free of every expence, in return for a remittance, and all letters must be prepaid, or will be returned unopened to the General Post Office.


This particular token was an advertisement itself; the so-called "Morgan's Shilling" turns up as an issue for quite a few other places (including Wales) with a city arms design or a local merchant's information. Morgan's firm advertised that they would strike tokens in any design for pretty much anyone, and apparently, this offer was well-received.

The only problem with all of this is that "Henry Morgan" may, or may not, have actually existed. He may have been a real person, but may have also been a collective fake name used by two or more scammers operating out of the area, or even an identity created by other (real and respected) token makers as a front to issue counterfeit tokens.

Numismatic author Andrew Wager published a book on this precise issue in June 2008 and documents his research and detective work quite thoroughly. I won't spoil the book here.

When these early issues were struck (1811) the weight and assay supported the denomination; however, drama was soon to follow. Prominent local merchants and tradesmen, including other die-makers, accused Morgan's firm of manufacturing and issuing large numbers of counterfeits of other firms' (legitimate) tokens. Underweight, debased, and altered tokens were becoming more and more prevalent, shaking the public's confidence in the entire token system, and "H. M." seems to have been the source. In some cases, the more egregious counterfeits even featured entirely fictitious (but plausible) entities and businesses, with nonexistent addresses, making "redemption" impossible. Not that he was the only one -- a number of enterprising crooks caught on quickly to the profitable idea of melting down regal copper and silver coinage and striking debased or underweight tokens.

Dalton notes that the outcry resulted in public censure and a strident warning to Mr. "Morgan" that the deception was known, and that if the manufacture of these debased tokens continued, the names of the individuals behind the crooked tokens would be made public -- no idle threat, with penalties ranging from penal transportation to death by hanging if convicted. Not surprisingly, perhaps, into 1813 Mr. "Morgan" and his firm apparently decided to get out of the token business.

The public furor created by this debacle -- as well as similar issues with counterfeit copper merchant tokens and the mass melting of older regal and Soho copper coinage to strike new private tokens -- was one of the factors that would lead to the resumption of regal coinage in 1816 (for silver issues) and 1821 (for copper issues.)

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References:

Dalton, R. "The silver token-coinage mainly issued between 1811 and 1812"

Wager, A. "The Mystery of Henry Morgan: A Numismatic Detective Story"
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 Posted 02/24/2019  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Brotherjavafiend to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My Dad gave me this coin/token/medallion and I am seeking whatever information I can get about it. It measures 51mm in diameter, 5.3mm thick at the edges, and there are some areas where it is 5.6mm. From what I can figure it French and a limited edition (5 of 5). Other than this I do not have a lot other than it weighs 4 forking troy ounces.

Thanks for the help.

Albert

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 Posted 02/24/2019  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Two awesome additions there, Love the BIG HONKIN' eagle medal and the story about Henry Morgan.
I know that Sir Henry Morgan was a pirate, maybe that was why he used the name?


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with penalties ranging from penal transportation to death by hanging if convicted.

Mr. "Morgan" and his firm apparently decided to get out of the token business.


Thanks for the approval on the 1933 Indian Dollar paralyse.

I decided to stop at that point of conservation, as sometimes we go a bit too far and ruin things. A little trapped crud has been arrested and makes for a more authentic look. Good enough.
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 Posted 02/24/2019  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice metal Brotherjavafiend!
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Very nice adds everyone. TNG great job on the conservation.
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I decided to stop at that point of conservation, as sometimes we go a bit too far and ruin things


These are very wise words.
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Dana Bickford
1897 Bickford Dollar ~ Grant

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1897 Bickford Dollar. HK-837. An uncertified so-called dollar struck by Dana Bickford of New York in 1897, as part of a series of eight "dollars" or patterns for an international coinage. The U.S. Congress failed to take action to approve the idea, and the project was dropped. This example has a bronze planchet with the bust of General U.S. Grant within a ring of aluminum. The Hibler-Kappen catalog lists the token as "very rare." 100?


While visiting in Europe, Dana Bickford of New York City experienced the usual difficulty of travelers in getting money of one country exchanged for that of another. Upon his return, he submitted several designs for a proposed international coinage to Dr. Henry R. Linderman, then Mint Director, who approved the idea because of the saving an international coinage would afford the U.S. Government, as well as the convenience it would provide travelers abroad. Recoinage and waste on coin coming into this country amounted to approximately one-half million dollars a year at that time.

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Bust of Gen. U. S. Grant within circular center, depressed into center of tomb.
Warrior Citizen Statesman
Commemorated Apr. 27, 1897 Dana Bickford Des.
semi-circle of 13 stars
Honored by All

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International Bi-Metal Dollar in center bronze portion border.
Legend: This Gold & Silver Coin Will be Good the World Over Fulfill a Promise & Bring Prosperity Value of the U.S. Dollar, in France 5 Fr. 18c., in Austria 3 Fl. 47 Kr., in Japan 1 Yen, in Russia 1 Rbl. 29 K, in Germany 4 M. 20 Pf, in England 4s. 1d. with Invented and Protected by Dana Bickford between links and circular center.

Grants Tomb
Riverside Drive and West 122nd Street New York City
The 18th U.S. President and his wife Julia rest in peace. Overlooking the Hudson River, General Grant National Memorial is the largest mausoleum in North America.

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Fascinating. I have never heard of this before.
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 Posted 02/28/2019  07:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scopru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting item TNG
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TNG, in reading more about the Bickford dollars, I stumbled upon the Eutopia dollars which preceeded them. Those appear to be extremely rare and very interesting as well.
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Thanks, I have seen this page before and bookmarked it. So-called Dollars by year.
https://so-calleddollars.com/By_Year.html
The 1886 Eutopia Dollar is in there.
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Wonderful and fascinating post TNG.

Please do elaborate on said Bickford dollars, and Eutopia dollars; in the correct forum of course. Let me know as I would be obliged to broaden my limited knowledge.
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