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A Continuing Thread ~ Post Your Tokens, Medals, Exonumia Acquisitions

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@999fine Conder tokens are a lot of fun. They have tons of history, and most can be found in circulated grades for a few dollars, and even nearly uncirculated common tokens won't break the $100 mark. Hundreds of thousands were struck, a large number for ANY 18th century coinage. There are endless varieties, mules, rarities, and all sorts of fun to treasure-hunt. The famous Parys Mines token, one of the first Conder tokens to be issued in any great number, has over 50 catalogued varieties, not including two or more dozen imitations, fakes and contemporary restrikes. The term "Conder" is a reference to James Conder, one of the first major collectors and author of one of the earliest guidebooks to the series. Dalton & Hamer (D&H) later revised, updated, and greatly expanded Conder's listings. Their work in its modern form is still heavily referenced, and the source of D&H numbers.

(Random trivia: Conder himself is featured on a Conder token.)

There was a severe shortage of circulating "good" copper coins in Britain in the latter part of the 1700s. With no help coming from the Government any time soon, and with barrow-fulls of "bad" (underweight or counterfeit) GII/GIII copper that had driven out the good copper as the only thing left, there was a great need for token coinage that could be reliably used for commerce and trade. Not only did the tokens provide a medium of exchange, they were free advertising for merchants, and also provided a convenient platform for political, social, and even religious themes to be expressed. They were collected even when new, and the token-makers sometimes restruck previous issues using old disused dies, created artificial mule die pairing strikes, or altered legends and edge lettering, just to keep collectors interested.

By the time the Soho Mint started producing "good" copper in 1797, the token coinages began to disappear, until 1807-1808 when the striking of Government coinage was started then once again stopped. As a result, the merchants began to strike token coinage again, from about 1810-1814, including silver shilling issues, not just the small coppers. By 1816 or so Government coinage was restarted with the new designs and sizes, and the merchant tokens fell out of use after awhile (they lasted longer in Ireland, into the 1820s for some issues.) These 19th c. issues are catalogued by Davis, Bell and Withers, among others, leading to "B", "D" and "W" numbers. They are not considered part of the Conder token series, but rather called currency tokens, trade tokens, or merchant tokens.


One hundred years later, the Germans created a close paper money equivalent of Conder tokens with Serienscheine, small denomination paper notes which were essentially all but worthless but widely collected for their artwork, themes, humor, and beautiful designs.
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Good write up on Conder Tokens paralyse!

1936 Texas Centennial Souvenir Of Texas Token
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Possibly an amusement token that is about the size of a US nickel. There were two different Expositions in Texas in 1936 and in 1937, they are named The 1936 Texas Centennial Exposition and the 1937 Greater Texas and Pan-American Exposition. Both were held at Fair Park in Dallas.
The Texas Centennial Exposition ran from June 6th to November 29th of 1936 and celebrated Texas' 100th year of independence from Mexico. The 1937 Greater Texas and Pan-American Exposition ran from June 12th to October 31st and promoted Texas as an emerging center of economic and cultural development bridging the two Americas. The 1936 Centennial Expo was the more popular of the two events, drawing almost three times as many visitors as the 1937 Greater Texas and Pan-American Exposition.

The whole state celebrated The Centennial in Texas style, so this may not have had anything to do with the expositions. Then again, it could have been used specifically for an attraction at one or both in an arcade. I do not know.
I just had to have it since I have several 1936 Texas Centennial medals or tokens already and a few tickets.


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This Artwork above I worked up reminds me of The Byrds "Sweetheart of The Rodeo" album cover.
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WORLD'S COLUMBIAN EXPOSITION
1892-1893 CHICAGO, ILLINOIS
BIRD'S-EYE VIEW DOLLAR

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Although there are other "Birdseye View" so called dollars for The Columbian Exposition, the view on this medal is obviously not a "birdseye view" despite the use of that term in its legend. Even with the wear and scratches, this medal was quickly nabbed by me with "Buy it now" for under $10.00.

The only other ones I have seen so far that sold were aluminum.
This one too, is HK-166 Aluminum
There are two metal compositions known for this medal.
HK-165 White Metal. 40mm. Eglit 21(WM) Quite elusive!
HK-166 Aluminum. Eglit 21. More Common

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Mount Rushmore National Memorial
America's Shrine of Democracy
Black Hills South Dakota
Bronze Medal Lombardo Mint Canada


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This medal has the famous sculpture of the four presidents on the obverse and an American flag with 50 stars making it newer than 1959. It is a hefty medal for it's diameter. Like the Hudson Bay Co medal I have from the Lombardo Mint it is bimetallic with a copper nickel core and fairly thick outer layers of copper or bronze andvery well made.
For this reason and with the US Bicentennial themes more common, I suspect it is made in the 1970's.
I can't find another and searched quite a bit.
I bought it for my second set of 4 Medallic Art Co. Presidential Washington, Jefferson, Roosevelt and Lincoln bronze medals for a future display. The obverse appears to have a bit better detail than a lot of others with this theme.

LATE EDIT: I wrote to Mississauga Mint

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Hi, I have a medal that is signed LOMBARDO on the reverse near the flagpole and on the edge it says Made in Canada.
I looked everywhere and cannot find another and wondered if you could tell me what year it was made and how many were minted. I have attached images. It is well made and has a dark core making it a "sandwich medal" perhaps it is copper over copper nickel.
It is very well made.


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Our company Mississauga Mint purchased Lombardo Mint Inc. back in 2003 and did not retain all records dating back into the 70's so unfortunately I do not have any information about this coin.


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Silver Rounds 1971 BC Commemoratives

The Totem is the same as the 1958 Dollar.
The crest is the BC Crest as seen on the 1971 Dollar.
Bear 27.4 grams - hallmark by front paw
Caribou 26.5 grams - Hallmark by front leg

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SilverDon's Bear and Caribou.
Thanks for posting
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paralyse - thank you for the detailed explanation, it was most helpful.

TNG - lovely examples from your collection, my paltry dregs pale in comparison :(
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Thanks fellers. I will say my picture taking has gotten better over the course of this thread. 999 your collection is perfectly fine, be proud of it.
You have some tough medals to find, I know that. I looked for some you have with no luck.
When silver gets down there I'll be shifting over to that.
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In previous posts, I mentioned that some of the 1947 c.smith medals had appeared earlier than 1947 and that he reissued 6 of the 8 that make up the set in proof-like silver colored white metal.
Some are also found in gilt plating or in bronze.
I have found the 32 mm 1947 Thomas A. Edison obverse die has been used on FIVE different medals.

1947 Thomas A. Edison c.smith so called half dollar
1947 Thomas A. Edison Bronze (like the c.smith so called half dollar)
1947 Thomas A. Edison Bronze Salaam Temple Newark NJ
1947 Thomas A. Edison Bronze Crescent Temple Trenton NJ
1947 Thomas A. Edison Centennial Bronze General Electric Co. Lamp Dept


There could be more.
This study has been fun for me. These new two medals I just acquired are not 1947 c.smith medals.
There is another which is the from Crescent Temple Trenton NJ which I will soon track down cheap.
These are not expensive, I was not looking for mint condition examples, just a nice set of three matching oddballs to add to the silver colored c.smith and bright bronze exactly like the c.smith that I already have.

4 down, one to go and an eye out for any I never heard of before or saw.
I keep these in the c.smith collection just because they are distant relatives.

1947 Thomas A. Edison Salaam Temple
Newark N.J. Bronze medal

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1947 Thomas A. Edison General Electric Co.
Lamp Department Bronze medal

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Here's the other two of 5 I have.
The silver colored one is a cameo proof-like strike.
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1947 Thomas A. Edison
Crescent Temple Trenton NJ
Bronze Medal

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I believe I have constructed a set of the 5 Edison medals now.
I almost bought a deep brown bronze without any luster having the same reverse of the c.smith Centennial 1847-1947.
Upon looking at my collection, I think that the bright bronze brass colored one is just a mint state bronze and not actually plated so I already have one.
Glad I checked.

These c.smith look-alikes are quite bright and yellowish when uncirculated in bronze, and I may have been mistaking them to be gilt or plated.
(See bottom one in the previous post)

I picked these in various raw and well preserved conditions but did not want the odd reverses in bright uncirculated. They have a little more character this way and that works for me.

No doubt this is the photograph used to model the obverse of these medals.
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* Tokens * (Canada - Local Dollar Tokens)

Souvenir Dollar - Jasper, Alberta.

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1904 COUNTERFEIT Louisiana Purchase Official Souvenir

I do not own this FAKE but wanted to post that they are out there.
Use caution in buying!
I have seen one in the past without "COPY" stamped into it but it had the same grainy surface. This one does have it on it.
I know that in the past I was approached by a Chinese seller that I could order fakes with or without the word copy on them. Just a heads up, the far reaching tentacles of fakes run wide and deep in the hobby.
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