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How Far Back Can We Go? Seventh Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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Can't be stuck already

For sure not.

Austria 1765, 1 thaler, Maria Theresia, Vienna mint.

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Lovely thaler!
Long couple of travel days for me (Wyoming to Ohio via Minneapolis).

Here is a 1765 crown of Austrian Netherlands, Brussels mint, also struck in the name of Maria Teresa (still seller's photos):
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1764 Portuguese 5 Reis (date clear on coin if held at right angle to the light!):
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great 1765 silver pieces from Austria and the Austrian Netherlands (Southern United Provinces - currently known as Belgium)

here something from the Northern United Provinces (currently known as The Netherlands):

1764 Utrecht half ducaton (halve zilveren rijder)

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as we will go back in time, we'll see that the seventeen Southern and Northern provinces were once united
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Beautiful coin @1c5d


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1764 Portuguese 5 Reis (date clear on coin if held at right angle to the light!):

Yes, it's visible in your photo.

For me a 1764 solidus/schilling of the Duchy of Courland. Courland was a sort of semi-independent state under rule of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth from the 1570s until the final partition in 1795. So we see the Polish eagle and the Lithuania rider featured on the reverse.
Even though the date is not legible except for a bit of the last digit, it is a one year type: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces86474.html

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Here is a schilling/solidus struck in the Polish city of Elbing in 1763.
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1763 British threepence:
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Work is really kicking me hard lately! Only doing one per year just to keep from clogging things up since I have quite a few German States minors from these years.

1765 W-MP - Thaler - Wurzburg
Davenport 2899
NGC VF30

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1764 E-IDB - 2/3 Thaler - Brunswick/Luneburg
One of my favorite German States coins

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1763 - 1/12 Thaler - Hildesheim
Very nice circulated example of the type

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1762 - 6 Pfenning - Bishopric of Münster
The oddly-shaped planchet is normal, not a defect

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Lovely coins, paralyse!

1762 United Kingdom threepence:
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Lovely coins, paralyse!



But for double chins, this guy, Friedrich August II of Saxony / Augustus III of Poland. is the clear winner (his coins of the 1750s are even less flattering).
Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth, 1762 30 groszy, Gdansk mint (too bad for the uneven toning):
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double chins as sign of the message " it's good to be the king"
the uneven toning on the obverse is interesting, perhaps this coin was gilt and has been used in a pendant ? it was common practice in those days

here an example of a pendant bearing the date 1761: a gold piece of 14 guilders from Zeeland better known as the "gold rider" (gouden rijder)
most "gouden rijders" from this period became collectibles, a memory of the nice coinage of the 18th century

indeed, the "gouden rijder" (like the taler-sized silver rider) has a great design; thus, a great number of pieces of current survivors were used shortly after minting as pendants
pieces that are now sold in auctions often have the comment 'klemsporen' which means traces of former mounting

this one has the carrier eye still attached

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of interest is the 14 guilder face value, the weight in gold is ±10 grammes
the 1 guilder of those days was a piece of silver ±10 grammes
this brings the gold/silver ratio of the 18th century Netherlands to 14, which is in the normal range


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I have also wondered what might have happened to the Polish coin to give that appearance. I had considered a botched removal of a darker patina, but gilding on one side makes more sense.

Going "from the sublime to the ridiculous," I will follow the gouden rijder with a modest schilling (0.6 grams of 0.084 fine silver) of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth struck in Torun in 1761:
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If my math is correct, it would have exchanged at 2,800 to buy a golden rider!


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It's always nice to see coins that I seldom or never get to see here in the USA. Even the German States coins that I collect are becoming more and more difficult to find without paying through the nose.

I cannot contribute anything beautiful for 1761, but I can offer something original, at least, if not in the greatest of shape.

Russia - 1761 5 Kopeck - (Ekaterinburg most likely) - Elizabeth

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I have seen some of the novodel 2 kop. and 5 kop. coins and they are interesting because they show that if the technology (and effort) had existed at the time these coins would have actually looked quite decent when new, almost medallic. But when it comes to original coins, even XF-AU examples often have a lot of strike and planchet related issues that make them look much more worn than their actual circulation would account for.
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