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How Far Back Can We Go? Seventh Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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1703 English Queen Anne sixpence, Vigo below bust:
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The Battle of Vigo Bay in October 1702 resulted in the English capturing over 4,500 pounds of silver and 7 pounds of gold from three Spanish galleons. Under orders from Queen Anne, the metal was sent to The Royal Mint and Sir Isaac Newton, then Master of the Mint, had the word 'VIGO' placed on the dies to show the provenance of the metal - a great propaganda coup for England in the War of the Spanish Succession!
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Nice sixpence, and nice history!


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The arm was swung by several men, who had to work in shifts.

Looking at the drawing, I expect crushed fingers (the guy feeding the blanks) were an occupational hazard.

1703 3 pfennig of Saxony-Poland struck in Dresden:
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Here is a Duarius from Hungary dated 1703 AD:

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Master of the Mint, had the word 'VIGO' placed on the dies to show the provenance of the metal

That is so cool!

Nice 3 pfennig and duarius (1½ denar?), tdziemia and Spence!

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Looking at the drawing, I expect crushed fingers (the guy feeding the blanks) were an occupational hazard

Indeed it was. At the Lille mint in 1719, one mint worker lost two fingers, four others got away with losing one finger. Good co-ordination with the guys swinging the heavy arm of the balancier was needed, otherwise accidents could easily occur. There was even a fatality that year in Lille, when one of the heavy weights of the arm hit the head of one worker. The Lille mint was perhaps particularly exposed to accidents, since there the extra large "Flandre ecus" were minted, requiring an extra large force to be applied for the strike.
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Poland 1702 szostak (6 groschen) struck in Leipzig
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This is a 2 Mariengroschen from the German State of Brunswick-Lunenburg-Calenburg-Hannover that is dated 1702. IN RECTO DECUS translates roughly as "There is honor in the right path".

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Lovely examples, all. I have a soft spot for the little 2 MGr. with its boldly leaping horse - an attractive motif that survived in one form or another for over a century and then continued - albeit with the horse facing the other direction - into the Hanoverian era.

The denomination itself is named after the figure of St. Mary that appeared on the original Mariengroschen first struck in the early 1500s in Goslar, and it remained in use through the 1830s.

For those who study or are interested in numismatic/exonumismatic theology, Mariology, etc., the denomination is notable for being one of the more overt pre-Reformation references to Marian Catholicism that survived on German States coinage long after the Protestant Reformation had mostly pushed Catholicism out of the northern half of Germany; much outlasting the figure of St. Mary, whose image was replaced by the Wildman, the leaping horse, or one of many other allegorical figures or motifs.
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For those who study or are interested in numismatic/exonumismatic theology, Mariology, etc.,


Yeah, that would be .... ME!

I've run across references to Mary on coins of this part of Germany as early as the 11th century (Hildesheim, I think). Between Goslar, Halberstadt, Hildesheim, Magdeburg, Quedlinburg there was a lot going on with religious references on coins in this part of medieval Germany.
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I would actually like to write a short book someday on representations of Mary/Maria/Miriam/etc. throughout time as she has appeared on coins and exonumia, but I'm sure it's been done to death, and would probably sell 1 or 2 copies. :P
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A beat up 1701 Halfpenny. Detector find (but not by me)

Very old photos, it's been in a Kraft envelope for 10+ years now.

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I would actually like to write a short book someday


How about a journal article?
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For today, I've got this 1/24 Thaler from the German Free City of Hildesheim.

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How about a journal article?


@paralyse, what we've found is that surveys like you are suggesting across space and time may not have been done yet. Scholars sometimes tend to have a narrower focus; collectors may see a broad picture that's of less interest to academics (I know that's a very broad brush).
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1700 British halfpenny - King William III:
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1700 Bishopric of Salzburg thaler (speaking of Mary'... though I don't think she is very prominent on Salzburg coins compared to the ubiquitous Rupert):
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