- a beautiful Charlemagne portrait on this Aachen (Jungheit) groschen!
The 1374 is much rarer and extremely popular (thus far more expensive), and of course the earlier dates are not considered extant, so we probably won't see an older coin with a direct AD date in the How Far Back threads unless we make it all the way to the 1250s and the Crusader issues of Acre.
On my own end, I was aware that 776 AH was my entry, but I was hoping that someone else would have that one too, because the date on my coin is a bit awkward...
Obverse (?): hexagram, with dots between rays; six-pointed asterisk in center, apparently also with dots between rays; all within round border
Reverse (?): date (reads as x86, but probably 776), Arabic inscription above (illegible on this example); all within round border, which is apparently within dotted border
Anatolia, Beyliks of
uncertain beylik (Menteshe?)
AE fals (?) or mangir (?)
dated [x86?] = probably 776
16x15 mm, 0.98 g
Numista 309426; cf.
Zeno 229143,
229144,
272145,
272146 (all attributed to 776)
more distantly cf.
Numista 301424 (type with similar obverse attributed to Menteshe); even more distantly cf.
Numista 345962,
Zeno cat. 5456 (type with similar obverse (?) attributed to Karaman [Numista] / Jandar [Zeno]).
Note that the Numista page links to
Zeno cat. 12324, a subcategory for undated Golden Horde puls, which is apparently an alternate attribution for some of the mysterious-beylik series; see also
Numista 301429, and more details on a similar type in
Numista topic 80345. The actual relevant Zeno entries are in
cat. 13763 (a catch-all category for uncertain Anatolian beylik AE types).
[It looks like a lot of the Numista 301429 subtypes are included in
Zeno cat. 5146 (Menteshe).]
AFAICT the examples with known findspots/origins are all from Crimea, suggesting that perhaps the Golden Horde attribution could actually be right. I got my coin from a bin full of Golden Horde and Khanate of Crimea coins [as reported in
the original thread], so plausibly it's also a Crimean find.
All other examples I have seen are either clearly dated 776, or have a date that is clearly mangled from 776. I would guess that the date on my coin is also mangled but in a different way.
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