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1c5d7n5m
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 Posted 07/08/2024 05:22 am
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Fantastic thread, congratulations erafjel 
I discovered this gem within CCF only today. Never too late ....
The idea of a map with chapters is really good and applicable to any field of coin or medal collection.
Of epic proportions indeed. You may consider publishing the information in the thirty chapters in book format, it makes sense to me
I can't contribute any liards, but perhaps I may add one point that extends the scope of these small coppers in the seventeen provinces of the Netherlands.
It was common practice in the16th and 17th centuries to used rekenpenningen/jetons as real money and the value was equal to one oord/liard. See this wiki page https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histo..._Lage_Landen paragraph "Gebruik als Geld"
The resemblance between liards and jetons is more outspoken in the Spanish Netherland (reign of Philippe II till Charles II) especially on the obverse side showing portrait and official titles of the ruler, leaving "artistic freedom" for the reverse side, which is fun.
Here are a few examples I can post:
Philippe II Northern Provinces Dordrecht, Holland 1564
Philippe II Northern Provinces, Utrecht 1570
Philippe II Southern Provinces 1571
Philippe II Southern Provinces 1586, praising Alexander Farnese
Archdukes Albert & Isabella Antwerp 1599
Archdukes Albert & Isabella Antwerp 1600
Archdukes Albert & Isabella Antwerp 1607
Archdukes Albert & Isabella 1609
Philippe IV 1651
Philippe IV 1660
Charles II 1671
Charles II 1679
Especially during the reign of Philippe II and the Archdukes, the artistic freedom associated with making jetons (instead of the strict rules in the design of official liards) could serve the goal of political propaganda as a psychological channel to support the never ending (in the end it would be 80 years) of war of independence of the Netherlands; this aspect drew my attention at a certain moment, so I started collecting them....
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Posted 06/29/2024 2:42 pm
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nive example triggersmob
During the age of Napoleon, the mythology of ancient Egypt became a serious scientific field in Europe. The Rosetta stone was found in the desert, the Egyptian hieroglyphs were deciphered and the study of monuments started. The scientific study of ancient Egypt by 200 scholars that accpmpanied Napoleon on his military campaign was a great achievement. The military campaign (1798/99) was a failure.
A well known quote from general Bonaparte, just before a battle against the mameluk army near the Gizeh piramides as he addressed his soldiers was: « Soldats, songez que du haut de ces monuments, quarante siècles vous contemplent »
"Soldiers, know that from the heights of these monuments, forty centuries contemplate you"
This quote and Napoleon with his troops near Gizeh was used for a medal by engraver Bovy (weight ± one ounce); the piece was struck around 1850, like the English Pyramid copper I posted this week.
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Posted 06/28/2024 03:57 am
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thanks,
@Errers and Varietys and Dearborn : great to know ! thanks
I did not realize this, and will check if the weakness on the margin of the obverse (ner the crown at the left foot) matches with the position on the reverse |
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Posted 06/27/2024 5:13 pm
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thanks,
here is Hercules on a piece with the weight of a two sol monneron Hercules symbolizes the revolution. Using wisdom (see the owl) Hercules breaks the royal staff of the French Monarchy. The legend explains: LA SAGESSE GUIDE SA FORCE (wisdom guides his force). The medal was designed in 1792 during the French adventure of Matthew Boulton, this was the last Monneron he prepared dies for. But this piece was actually produced at a later date (± 1850) outside the SOHO mint
the pyramid design also fits in this mythology thread
ÆRE PERENNIUS is from a poem of the roman poet Horace:
Exegi monumentum aere perennius / regalique situ pyramidum altius
I erected a monument of eternal air / higher than the royal site of the pyramids
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Posted 06/22/2024 11:13 am
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Nice to see new activity on this thread.
Thanks for posting a great example of a late-stage assignat Erafjel.
A good book about assignats and their influence on daily life in France between 1789 and 1796 is Stuff and Money in the Time of the French Revolution, by Rebecca L. Spang, published at Harvard University Press 2015.
One reaction to the dwindling confidence in the fiat paper (the assignats) was the production of Medailles de Confiance. On previous pages I posted some examples of "Monnerons". Here is a cinq sols "au Pacte Fédératif" from 1792. It is a common variant that has the word "remboursable" on the reverse.
The obverse of this monneron is based on an earlier design of a medal engraved by Dupré, and adapted by engraver Jean-Noel Ponthon. The obverse shows the officers of the National Guard paying tribute to the cause of the Revolution of the festivity of the Pacte Fédératif, exactly one year afther the storming of the Bastille. Below is a drawing of that celebration which took place on 14 July 1790 on the Champs de Mars in Paris.
The reverse shows the purpose of this medal: MEDAILLE DE CONFIANCE DE CINQ-SOLS REMBOURSABLE EN ASSIGNATS DE 50# ET AU DESSUS (medal of trust of 5 sol, exchangeble for an assignat with a face value of at least 50 livre. Buyers of these Monneron were eager to exchange their paper assignat of 50 livre (1000 sol) for a brass medal of 5 sol; a difference in face value of 200 ! This illustrates the degree of the lack of trust in the fiat currency.
The size of this brass "Monneron" (almost one ounce) is impressive. The most amazing fact about Monnerons is that they were produced by Matthew Boulton in Soho (near Birmingham; UK) In 1791/2 Boulton pioneered the mass production of large brass or copper pieces using his steam-energy powered mint. The much better known 1797 Cartwheel Penny (same size as the 5 sol Monneron) would follow 5 years after the French adventure of Boulton was over.
Nice reading of this subject: Richard Margolis: Matthew Boulton's French Ventures of 1791 and 1792: tokens for the Monneron frères of Paris and Isle-de-France. British Numismatic Journal 58: 11-23. |
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Posted 03/31/2024 6:36 pm
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Here a mereau from the parish of the Name-of-Jesus-Chapel in the cathedral of Antwerp dated 1480 (but from a later strike)
value 20 mites - the purpose was for the poor of the parish to buy bread
"broodpenning"
OBV: gothic letters XX in band YPOL TERRAX, below 1480
REV: monogramme IHS in gothic letters, hand
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Posted 01/03/2024 06:25 am
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Where are the 1538s?
here is one, a rare jeton from Brussels, picturing the two patron saints of the city
obverse Saint Gudule, resisting seduction by the devil
reverse Saint Michael fighting the devil, thus protecting the citizens of Brussels from harm
assigned Dugniolle 1357b (this piece on Dugniolle online)
1538 (nd) Dugn.1357b, Brussels
legend OBV: IECT * POV * LES * RECEV * DE x LA * VILE * DE * BRVCEL
legend REV: SANCTE * MICHAEL * ITERCED * PRO * NOBIS *
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Posted 01/01/2024 11:05 am
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nice that this thread has awaked again !
in medieval Europe every city had its guardian saint, that should offer a lot of material for this thread
last week I posted examples for Saint Stephan (St. Etienne) who was the patron not only in medieval Nijmegen (the Netherlands) but also in Halberstadt and Passau (Germany), and Metz (France)
today I show examples from Brussels, where archangel Michael (Saint Michel) was the guardian saint; consequently on many coins and jetons from the middle ages till modern times, Michael is depicted, typically during his battle with Lucifer, the fallen angel.
below a very rare jeton, not dated but minted in Brussels in 1538, and now annotated as Dugniolle 1357b (this piece) where Saint Michael wins the battle with the devil (depicted as a dragon)
On the obverse we see the other Saint of Brussels, Saint Goedele (Gudule) carrying the lantern of light in the left hand being seduced by the dragon; the scene reminds me of Frodo with the jewel of light in the caves of Chelob the giant spider.
1538 (nd) Dugn.1357b Brussel
OBV St Goedele IECT POV LES RECEV DE LA VILE DE BRVCEL
REV St Michael SANCTE MICHAEL ITERCED PRO NOBIS
the theme of Michael fighting evil comes back in quite a few jetons of Brussels, here a few examples:
the first is a jeton from 1667, stating DIVVS MICHAEL PATRONVS (containing an anagram for the year MDCLVVVII)
the second example is from 1673 (Dugn.4314), stating PATIENS OMNIA VINCIT (patience overcomes every (problem))
and finally a funny detail on the piece from 1685 Dugn.4501 in which the battle between Michael and Lucifer is taking place on highest pinnacle of the beautiful city hall of Brussels (as on the true building)
happy and healthy 2024 to all of you ! |
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Posted 12/27/2023 12:13 pm
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maybe an attempt to rivive this thread a bit:
the three pueces in my collection picturing Saint Stephan, Stephan (Ge), Saint Etienne (Fr), who is sometimes called protomartyr (the first martyr of Christianity)
1) Taler from Halberstadt, Germany dated 1544
2) Daalder from Nijmegen, the Netherkands, not dated, minted in 1562
3) Mereau for the poor from the parish of Saint Etienne in Lille, France, dated 1637; the four units probably mean the amount of bread the token could buy
Saint Stephan was stoned to death around AD 35, on coins and tokens he is typically represented with three stones (and a palm branch).
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Posted 12/27/2023 11:29 am
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great portrait of Antoine
here is a (holed) 1544 taler from Halberstadt, Germany, picturing Saint Stephen holding a palm tree branch and the stones he is going to be murdered with
I post this piece, together with another Stephen's taler from Nijmegen (same period but not dated), in the thread "when all the Saints" iniated by Tdziemia
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Posted 12/19/2023 05:46 am
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thanks Hondo Boguss,
to be complete, there is still one more piece to show: an example of the type 1a, the first Leeuwendaalder which was produced during the last month of 1575 in the mint of Dordrecht, then the largest city in Holland
conditions were chaotic in those days in Holland: the army of the Duke of Alva still swept through the country with the goal of severely repressing the revolt, but actually they were on their retreat towards Belgium having failed to crush the resistance
as I wrote yesterday the Geuzen (the Dutch rebels) were in great need for fresh money to pay for the cost of their own soldiers
the type 1a Leeuwendaalder was clearly an experiment, carried out with haste, so the design of the knight was rather clumsy; however, the rampant lion on the reverse and the legends were winners from the start and remained the same for over a century
this type 1a Leeuwendaalder (Delmonte 829) is the first coin of the independent Dutch republic, and it surprises that so few collectors know about this piece
the great haste and chaos in the mint of Dordrecht, and perhaps the lack of a clear idea of what the new Leeuwendaalder should look like, probably caused the two upgrades of the obverse
See below the metamorphosis of the knight from a ghost-like figure - via a mocking peasant - to a rebel that emaniates strength of will to win, all this within one year of time
the metamorphosis is most prominent for the hand of the rebel that holds the coat of arms of the state of Holland; a province which would unite in 1579 with Zeeland, Utrecht, Gelderland, Friesland to create United States of the Dutch republic
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Posted 12/18/2023 2:16 pm
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Thanks again
the Leeuwendaalder / Lion Dollar deserves perhaps more than a little attention within this thread
Originally the purpose of this new type of money was not an international trade coin - as it would become later
It was made in the beginning (1575-77) to raise an income to support the army of the Dutch revolt against Spain.
Regular money (Philipsdaalders and Bourgondische Kruisdaalders) with a higher silver content (90%) were melted and the silver was mixed with about 15% copper.
The Dutch were an underdog against the Spanish superpower, but with the income of the Leeuwendaalder the revolt survived and became stronger.
Here is a Type 1b from the early months of 1576, rarer than the type 2 that is showed above. The knight on the obverse looks almost like a figure mocking the authority of the king.
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Posted 12/17/2023 07:27 am
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thanks
below a half Leeuwendaalder, which was first minted in 1577
at that moment the province of HOLLAND was alone in striking this type of revolutionary coin
the other provinces still minted coins showing the king of Spain, who ruled the Netherlands at that moment
this continued until the ordonnance of 1589 when the provinces of Zeeland, Utrecht, Gelderland, Overijssel of the Dutch Republic also started to mint Leeuwendaalders
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