Coin Community Family of Web Sites
Live Coin auctions starting as low as $1
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some coins?
Our coin forum is completely free! Register Now!

Aliabeans's Last 20 Posts

2009 D Presidency Penny Numbers (Confusing)
Aliabeans
Valued Member
United States
78 Posts
Old Post Posted 01/28/2023  9:35 pm
Either way it ends up for me finding a penny that only has approximately 780K others like it in this nice of a condition I think is a cool find especially when its 2nd place in lowest mintage to the 1909 S VDB. So when local coin shop people tell me doing a blind Satin Finisb Test if you will, on pretty darn good conditioned 2009 Presidency Series Pennies that no NONE OF THEM ARE and then I throw them the curve ball and they weigh it.... I thought it was worth yalls time.
Forum: US Modern Variety and Error Coins
 
2009 D Presidency Penny Numbers (Confusing)
Aliabeans
Valued Member
United States
78 Posts
Old Post Posted 01/28/2023  9:27 pm
No I dont think I have an MS69? What I guess I poorly conveyed was A) A PCGS # on Herritage auction showed a copper penny with a 2009 Satin Finish Presidnency Penny with a composition of 95% copper 5% tin and zinc BUT with a weight of 2.5 Grams which they didn't make. They only made approximately 780,614 2009 Satin Finish 3.2 Gram 2009 Pennys with the composition of 95% Copper and 5% Tin and Zinc. All of the other approximately 2,990,000 3.2 Gram 2009 Presidential Pennies with the same copper composition were only from the Sanfrancisco Mint which were proofs. That said when I took my 4 2009 Pennies into local coin shops and asked them if they thought any of my 4 were Satin Finish Pennies they all said no. When I asked if its possible that a Satin Finish could be lossed from the penny they all said essentially the same thing yes but not likely and it would have to be pretty hammered. Then when I told them one of those 4 (Shown in the pictures I posted here) weighed 3.2 Grams and was copper it boggled them all. Then when they looked in red book and other places online they said there were millions of regular business strike 2009 pennies weighing 3.2 Grams having that composition. Which is not true. So that's why I posted everything and said everything I did on here. When I find the PCGS Picture of a 2009 Satin Finish Penny weighing 2.5 Grams with a composition of 95%copper and 5%tin amd zinc ill post it here. Everything that I've read on the Lincoln resource page including the act of congress part, it all clearly stated that ONLY the 2009 special limited satin finish sets of which only approximately 780,000 were made would A)Have the Satin Finish B)Weigh 3.2 Grams and C)Be made of the special copper composition of 95% copper and 5%Tin and Zinc (Making those pennies in the set each as rare 2ND to the 1909 S VDB Lincoln Penny) The only other pennies made with that same copper composition would be the approximately 2,990,000 Proof Pennies they made which would bare the Sanfrancisco Mint mark obviously. ALL of the the other 2009 Lincoln pennies made would be regular business stuck and have the composition of 95% Zinc and 5%Copper and Tin. So when I found my 3.2 Gram 2009 Penny it threw me off, when I researched it thats when I went into coin shops and asked if a Satin Finish could be losses OR if any of them thought any of my 4 were a Satin Finish they all said no. So thats why I came here. Thats why I posted the pictures etc etc.
Forum: US Modern Variety and Error Coins
 
2009 D Presidency Penny Numbers (Confusing)
Aliabeans
Valued Member
United States
78 Posts
Old Post Posted 01/27/2023  3:57 pm
Here are 2 actual pictures of The Presidency Reverse on the Lincoln Penny. Of which the only 3.2 Gram Presidnency Pennies made of 95% Copper. The PROOF and the SATIN FINISH PENNIES.

Forum: US Modern Variety and Error Coins

2009 D Presidency Penny Numbers (Confusing)
Aliabeans
Valued Member
United States
78 Posts
Old Post Posted 01/27/2023  3:26 pm
If you Picked #2 You were correct....


So should I send it in ? Or just consider myself lucky to have found 1 of 784,614 of these 3 2 Gram Copper Pennies #128518; Fingers Crossed It fooled enough of you Ill get the vote to send it in, that said I've seen pictures of what PCGS considers Satin and Business Strike and I think I've got a fair chance of confusing them once they fix the numbers. Thanks again all I've learned tons from you all and I guess this was my little moment to shine so to speak.....now I'll go back to the back of the line and keep learning other stuff lol
Forum: US Modern Variety and Error Coins
 
2009 D Presidency Penny Numbers (Confusing)
Aliabeans
Valued Member
United States
78 Posts
Old Post Posted 01/27/2023  3:16 pm
Here are all 4 of my Presidnency Lincoln Pennies, none of the positions of the pennies of been switched so the same order you see the front, when I turn them over to show you the reverse, the reverses are all in the same order. Whats really wierd is all of the other reverses, for example the child hood or his formative years they all do the same thing the all seem to have different color and toning to the front. Anyhow when I went to the coin shop and looked at a Satin finish Presidnency Penny and then sprawled my 4 out I totally picked the wrong one. Anyhow fingers crossed I got lucky and found an actual Planchet error. I can't see why someone would open a 2 penny set to take the 2 pennies out and then spend them lol thats the only way the Satin Finish Pennies went out all 784,614 ? I think (loosely lol) And should my Penny have had been removed from its 2pc special mint set and then set free into the world and then somehow lost its "Satin Finish" which from all the coin places I went to all said the coin would have to be really beat up to loose its Satin Finish. So with all that said A)PCGS and the like need to fix their numbers and verbiage when grading these coins you cannot have a 2.5 Gram Satin Finish Copper coin weighing 2.5 Grams with a composition of 95% Copper and 5%Tin and Zinc Nor can you Have a Satin Finish Business Strike Presidnency Penny weighing 2.5 Grams with the composition being 95%Zinc and 5%Copper and Tin you can only have a Business Strike. Thank you all for your help and I will check back in a little later and see if I should reach out to whoever that guy was on page 13? Ill have to re read a few comments back. Sorry one more thing I am wondering If PCGS really did grade a Presidency Penny weighing 2.5 Grams with a Satin Finish AND IT ACTUALLY HAD A COMPOSITION of 95%Copper and 5%Xinc and Tin as shown in that picture from Herritage Auction? Something tells me since that same number on PCGS's website had the correct info I wonder why on Hermitage Website it was different? Anyhow thanks again! Hope I've helped #128591; even if its a little my eyes are bleeding with how much reading I've done the last few days making sure I wasn't going to sound like a complete idiot and making sure I had actual facts to show you all lol. Oh and which was your choice for the 3 Gram Satin Finish out of the 4 shown?

Forum: US Modern Variety and Error Coins
 
2009 D Presidency Penny Numbers (Confusing)
Aliabeans
Valued Member
United States
78 Posts
Old Post Posted 01/27/2023  1:13 pm
Here are pictures of the reverses of 2 of the darker Presidency pennys and as you can see one of them is 3 Grams


Forum: US Modern Variety and Error Coins
 
2009 D Presidency Penny Numbers (Confusing)
Aliabeans
Valued Member
United States
78 Posts
Old Post Posted 01/27/2023  11:28 am
Will it be the 1st set of 4 pictures the 2nd set the 3rd set or maybe the 4th set of 4 pictures I'll post the answer with a picture shortly.
Forum: US Modern Variety and Error Coins
 
2009 D Presidency Penny Numbers (Confusing)
Aliabeans
Valued Member
United States
78 Posts
Old Post Posted 01/27/2023  11:26 am
Ok so here are the 4 Presidency Pennys I have which one do you think is the one that weighs 3.2 Grams and is supposed to be one of the 780,614 (or whatever that number was) of The Special Satin made 3.2 Gram Special Copper Composition of 95% copper 3%Tin 2% Zinc. We Obviously can tell none of these are any of the almost 3,000,000 3.2 Gram Proof Ones Made from San Francisco


















Forum: US Modern Variety and Error Coins
 
2009 D Presidency Penny Numbers (Confusing)
Aliabeans
Valued Member
United States
78 Posts
Old Post Posted 01/26/2023  9:28 pm
Sorry PCGS#407878 198,000,00 Denver Presidency Pennys 2.5 Grams 95% Zinc
PCGS#407884 Is the Satin Finish 3.11Gram Copper Denver Minted Prssidency with 784K made
PCGS#407899 Is the Presidency Sanfrancisco Proofs weighing 3.11 gram

I am finding some small errors when on other web pages especially with heritage auctions

Forum: US Modern Variety and Error Coins
 
2009 D Presidency Penny Numbers (Confusing)
Aliabeans
Valued Member
United States
78 Posts
Old Post Posted 01/26/2023  8:56 pm
California made just under 3 million proofs weighing 3.2 Grams They only made the 3.2 Gram copper penny in a Satin Finish which according to the Lincoln Resource they only made 784K and some change of the P and D Mintmarks in a special set making them 2nd as rare as to the 1909 S VDB. So you have 784K amd some change of P and D 3.2 Gram Satin finish pennys (that came in a set period) then you have the 2,990,000 whatever made of the proofs from the San Francisco Mint. With that said everything else is business strike that per the Lincoln Resource Page. But when you look at PCGS#408884 Showing a Satin Finish Presidency Penny weighing 2.5 grams BUT it says its composition is 95% Copper 5%Zinc and tin as well as showing that 784K of them were made? Which is incorrect we know that they made that many at 3.2 Gram not 2.5 Gram in that copper make up. So either that was an error being a light copper planchet or then what is PCGS #407898 for 3.2 Gram Presidnency S Proof minted 2,995,614 3.2 Gram Pennys of each of the reverses. PCGS #407868 Regular Denver minted Business Presidency Strike minted 198,000,000 and PCGS #407884 for the Satin Finish Denver Presidency 3.2 gram had 784,000 and some change strike numbers. I'mátelling you just write it down on paper and then you'll see it doesn't make sense they only made X amount of the proof and satin finish pennies weighing 3.2 grams the rest are all business strike and that is Per the Mint per the Lincoln Resource so why is PCGS and Tge red Book not counting the numbers right.
Forum: US Modern Variety and Error Coins
 
2009 D Presidency Penny Numbers (Confusing)
Aliabeans
Valued Member
United States
78 Posts
Old Post Posted 01/26/2023  8:28 pm
They also have PCGS#407884 and this one says Presidency "Satin Finish" 2.5 Grams Zinc 99.2% Zinc .08% Copper. So I dont think PCGS knows what's going on lol Satin Finish was only made in 3.2 Gram Copper 784k and some change of them period. The rest are all business strike other than the most 3 million proofs they made but those would all be S mint mark. So what the heck?
Forum: US Modern Variety and Error Coins
 
2009 D Presidency Penny Numbers (Confusing)
Aliabeans
Valued Member
United States
78 Posts
Old Post Posted 01/26/2023  7:44 pm
I'máasking because PCGS numbers don't add up with the info as well as the other places you look for info. In the Lincoln Source page it clearly shows the act of congress etc etc amd it clearly states 3.2 Gram Pennies will only be made in PROOF AND SATIN FINISHES. On PCGS they have PCGS#408884 Showing a Presidency Penny weighing 2.5 grams BUT it says its composition is 95% Copper 5%Zinc and tin as well as showing that 784K if them were made? That is incorrect. If it were one of the Satin Finished Denver Minted Presidency Penny it would have weighed 3.2 with the composition of 95% copper and 5% zinc and tin. So either PCGS got it wrong and that was an ERROR being a 2.5 Gram Copper Presidency Penny having the composition of 95%Copper and 5% Zinc and Tin. You following me? and then when you look at the rest of the numbers.....in short they need to fix the numbers ill post pictures of my non satin finish Presidnency penny here in a few mixed in with a few others and see if you can tell which one it is. Its defintiely not a Proof so either someone opened up a special satin set of pennies of which they only made 784,000 and some change of to get a penny cause they were short on milk or I actually have a presidency penny business strike on a copper planchet which would be an error and the PCGS one I listed above saying it was 2.5 Grams and a copper planchet maybe that was an error as well. Being the Presidency Penny tho is even cooler because they're the least of them and the satin sets were 2nd in how many were created to the 1909 S VDB so pretty cool
Forum: US Modern Variety and Error Coins
 
2009 D Presidency Penny Numbers (Confusing)
Aliabeans
Valued Member
United States
78 Posts
Old Post Posted 01/26/2023  7:29 pm
So if I'máright once PCGS and the rest fix their numbers then any Satin Finish 3.2 gram penny found would be 1 of 784K which is second to the 1909 S VDB Penny and if you could find a Presidency one I would think it would be worth more? because there's less total of them or would it be the same because you either have 1 of the 784,614 satin ones that were made or the almost 3 million Proof one made. I'máthinking the Satin Finish is where its at. Ive done a lot of research on Satin finish coins that have lost their Satin finish and I'm coming up with unless they're hammered they dont. Are there any Key markers on a satin finish penny that I could look for? As in to tell if it is an actual error being an actual business strike NOT a Satin finish thats lost its satin finish per say.
Forum: US Modern Variety and Error Coins

2009 D Presidency Penny Numbers (Confusing)
Aliabeans
Valued Member
United States
78 Posts
Old Post Posted 01/26/2023  7:13 pm
Using PCGS #407898 for 3.2 Gram Presidnency S Proof #s #407868 Regular Denver minted Presidency Strike #s and #407884 for the Satin Finish Denver Presidency Strike Numbers
Forum: US Modern Variety and Error Coins
 
2009 D Presidency Penny Numbers (Confusing)
Aliabeans
Valued Member
United States
78 Posts
Old Post Posted 01/26/2023  7:08 pm
So per PCGS and the US mint and everything else it says 784000 3.2 g "Satin Finish Pennies" were made And then 2 million and some change of the proof pennies in sets that weigh 3.2 g were made. With that said it says that the Presidency Satin Finish Penny Weighing 3.2 Grams there is only 784k of them and then the other 2million proof sets were made of which had the "Presidency Proof Penny"weighing 3.2 grams. So in short there are only 784k satin 3.2 gram pennys the rest would all be either Proofs which you can definitely tell that would weigh 3. grams or the copper zinc weighing 2.5 grams.
I ask this because the numbers on PCGS don't mix the have PCGS#408884 Showing a Presidency Penny weighing 2.5 grams BUT it says its composition is 95% Copper 5%Zinc and tin as well as showing that 784K if them were made? That is incorrect. Lincoln Resource says
They only made 198,000,000 Denver minted Presidency pennys were made "Period" and 129,600,000 Philadelphia Minted Presidency Pennys were made "Period". So out of those 2,995,615 were the S Proof Presidency Penny's weighing 3.2 Grams and then 784K 3.2 Gram Satin Finish Presidnency Pennys. All the rest would be the 2.5 Gram Pennys right? So then why does it say 198,000,000 Denver Minted Presidency Pennies weigh 2.5 Grams?
This makes no sense technically wouldn't you take the 2,995,615 S Proof Minted Presidency Pennies weighing 3.2 grams and subtract that from 198,000,000 and then subtract 784,000 of the Satin Finish Denver Minted Presidency Pennies weighing 3.2 Grams leaving a total of 194,220,386 Denver Minted Presidency Pennys weighing 2.5 Grams. and even less for the Philadelphia Presidency Pennies. There are a total of 3,779,615 "TOTAL" 3.2 Gram Presidnency Pennies Made. "784K " of those are the Satin Finish" Specially made out of the 95% Copper and 5% Copper and tin. Now I'm already thinking about Philadelphia's Presidsncy Penny so I'májust going to assume the number is the same? making it now 7,559,230 "TOTAL" 3.2 GRAM PRESIDENCY PENNIES OUT THERE 784K Denver minted Satin 784K Philadelphia minted Satin and then 2,995,615 of the proof of each Denver and Philadelphia Presidency Penny was made weighing 3.2 Grams ? Or are those only Sanfranciscco? and is the Sanfrancisco Proof Presidency Penny weighing 3.2 Grams the DCAM (is it the same?/ DCAM and S Proof. Anyhow the reason I was asking is because I have a business strike Presidency penny weighing 3.2 grams its not a satin finish and its not a proof so was going to send it in but then what the point when they dont even. have their own numbers correct? Thanks all. Only cool thing I guess is I have 5 total Presidency Pennies 4 of which weigh 2.5 grams 2 are Philli and 2 are Denver then I have this Denver weighing 3.2 and I bet if I lined them all up you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Uggghh what do I do ? Please help these numbers on PCGS and the like are really getting to me. Thank you
Forum: US Modern Variety and Error Coins
 
1907 Indian Head Penny With An L And Doubling On Reverse
Aliabeans
Valued Member
United States
78 Posts
Old Post Posted 12/23/2022  1:58 pm
Oakley Doakely thanks all
Forum: US Classic and Colonial Variety and Error Coins
 
1907 Indian Head Penny With An L And Doubling On Reverse
Aliabeans
Valued Member
United States
78 Posts
Old Post Posted 12/23/2022  12:36 pm
Hey all check this one out think maybe I might have found something & The "L" is in the same place as the 1864 L should/would be and its the same size font etc / a little worn but clear as day and in the correct spot let me know if you need me a post that picture as well I can.. then on the back looks like doubling? I have a few1872 and a 1858 and a few other in between and they all have the same doubling look as this 1907 does so er go this coming thought so BRACE YOURSELVES #128518; If I remember correctly they didn't start using the machine til a later date (meaning after 1858 or 1872? so & & 🤷 I dont know. (my thoughts on the doubling being actual doubling and not md was because they didn't start using the machine until after 1858 or 1872 right? so if their back/reverse looks the same as this 1907 does on the reverse would it be doubling then or ? what is it called if a machine hadn't been used yet? Thanks all as always!






Forum: US Classic and Colonial Variety and Error Coins
 
1925 Philly Penny With An S Between The 9 And 2 In Date
Aliabeans
Valued Member
United States
78 Posts
Old Post Posted 12/13/2022  07:24 am
Ummm I dont even know where to begin look between the 9 and the 2 and the white markings and you can see the S plain as day you can still see it almost zoomed all the way out. Is this not a 1925 Philly penny and instead a 1925 S penny with a severely misplaced S?







Forum: US Modern Variety and Error Coins
 
1964 D Plums Under Chin? Die Vlash Dropped Lettering Or Piece Of Chin Maybe ?
Aliabeans
Valued Member
United States
78 Posts
Old Post Posted 11/25/2022  01:16 am
You are right my apologies for saying the ending as I did. (In short I should have just said my momma always told me if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything all) That said yes I will post pictures of the back oddly it looks like a head and a bust BUT its not aligned right meaning the "head" if it is is not centered above the jacket and bow tie correctly if thst makes sense give me a few and ill throw some up and I was trying to take better pictures of what I'máseeing in the coin to try to put 2 and 2 together and figure this out. Anyhow here's a few pictures of back and then the last one is of the front and I was trying to outline in red what I'máseeing as in the part of an "o" that also goes into the date slightly but yet perfectly but it doesn't make sense . I mean I get technically you can have an Atypical clash off centered and rotated and mirrored but....lol I dunno but I swear I'mágonna figure it out eventually lol anyhow here yall go its late here I need some Zs ill post better pics later or just let me know what kind of picture you need and I'll do it. Thank you all so much xoxoxoxo





Forum: US Modern Variety and Error Coins
 
1964 D Plums Under Chin? Die Vlash Dropped Lettering Or Piece Of Chin Maybe ?
Aliabeans
Valued Member
United States
78 Posts
Old Post Posted 11/24/2022  03:05 am
For starters "Peterspocket55" thank you for seeing what I'máseeing and thank you for being objective about it and not just thumbing your nose. Ill let you know for sure when I get it back from Maddiesclashes. Secondly ...No there is nothing "laying over the coin" I repeat ...Just so you know the "thing outlined as a J" is NOT something laying on the coin. I will post other pictures tomorrow from different angles. That said.... I find it ...I dunno if wierd is the right word but its ironic or odd that on a forum where people are supposed to learn and guide eachother. I find that the goto answers immediately for 99% of everyone's posts are PMD its comical. However thank the big man upstairs that there are some people who really helpful. They give thoughts or ideas or show you were to read stuff to support why what your thinking is not correct and how to see what is correct and others are just plain negative they just assume things without asking.. (Yes I am reffering to the comment of its something laying over the coin comment. I almost feel like if the person themselves hasn't found it then for sure someone new hasn't found it. Anyhow much respect to you all. I just ask if your going to respond to this thread please respond with actual facts or an actual question like hey I'm thinking this..... could you please confirm with a picture that there is or is not something laying over the coin, so that I could make an intelligent comment that refutes Petespocketss55 thoughts as well as your own. Or could you send another picture at this angle. Anyhow something like that please and thank you or just dont respond at all. Xoxo
Forum: US Modern Variety and Error Coins
 


Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2023 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.83 seconds to rattle this change. Powered By: