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Type 1 Standing Liberty Quarter 1916/1917 Difference

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 Posted 10/12/2011  12:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list
Definitely 1917. While we'd all love 1916's, the 1917 T1 is nothing to sneeze at! Only a handful of dates are more valuable.
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 Posted 10/12/2011  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list
The rivets on the right side of shield are a big "tell" of the 1917 SLQ. If you can see them: it's almost always a 1917.
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 Posted 10/12/2011  01:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny54321 to your friends list

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This is a sensitive subject for me today as I am virtually certain I spotted a dateless 1916 today on ebay but got outbid at the last second by what I think was the only other person besides me that figured it out!

Got a link?

jamwins, that is definitely a 1917.
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 Posted 10/12/2011  01:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LTMets44 to your friends list
If I had to guess based on what I've read, I would say 1917. Like posted above, the rivets on the shield are a big tell. But the only thing that I would question is the "spike" in the hair looks like how they describe the 1916?
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 Posted 10/12/2011  02:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list
Here you go Johnny. I probably would have bid higher if the picture had higher resolution and if it didn't have such ugly black spots.

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 Posted 10/12/2011  02:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny54321 to your friends list

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Here you go Johnny. I probably would have bid higher if the picture had higher resolution and if it didn't have such ugly black spots.




Type-1-Standing-Liberty-Quarter-1916/1917-Difference Yeah those spots are pretty ugly, but the reverse is a little better. Unfortunately probably severe corrosion.
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 Posted 10/12/2011  02:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list
Heh, found the listing did you? Still, it would go for several hundred dollars once authenticated. I probably wouldn't have been as upset if I bid at the level I originally planned, but I got cold feet and bid a little lower. Had I lost it at the max bid that my gut said it wouldn't have been as big of a deal. Anyway, this wasn't the first time something like this happened on ebay and it won't be the last. There's always next time! By the way, my interest was to resell it. I'd rather wait and get a higher quality one some day when I can afford it rather than put this in my collection.

I guess I should be philosophical and say that at least that lot went to someone that knew what it was (otherwise no one would have bid that high). Had no one noticed it and someone bought it to hold until silver prices went up then sold it for melt that would be a real tragedy.
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 Posted 10/12/2011  03:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny54321 to your friends list
You have a VERY good eye Saruma! I'm not 100% on it, but I think it has a good shot at being genuine 1916, although many of the key diagnostics are masked. It is by far is the strongest detail wise I've seen. I've never seen one in a lot before that had full rims on both sides. Could pull G-4 details on a good day, strong AG on a bad. The real question is how much damage is caused by all that "black death"?


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I guess I should be philosophical and say that at least that lot went to someone that knew what it was (otherwise no one would have bid that high). Had no one noticed it and someone bought it to hold until silver prices went up then sold it for melt that would be a real tragedy.


I'm sure whoever won it will take good care of it.
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10/12/2011 03:04 am
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 Posted 10/12/2011  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list
Thanks for the compliment Johnny. While I'm still FAR from being a coin expert, I've always had an eye for detail. I used to be a professional biologist before going into business for myself and a big part of that job was trying to tell different species of plants apart by tiny details that often required magnification to even see. Just recently I started to realize that I might be able to use this skill to cherry pick coins that others might miss and then sell them for a profit and make a few bucks on the side.

If I could have seen one other diagnostic character besides the gown I probably would have bid higher, but I've seem some 1917s with a "squished" looking base of the gown so it made me a little nervous (in other words I was 90% sure instead of 100%).
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 Posted 10/12/2011  9:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cd_god to your friends list
Definitely hard to be sure with such a dark coin but I thinkthe robe fold on the arm and the bottom of the robe up off of the step leans me towards a 1916.

Was it sold in a lot or buy tiself? What was the final bid?
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 Posted 10/13/2011  12:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list
Someone was selling 40 dateless SLQ's. Normally when people sell a lot like that it goes for $230-$250. This went for $356, but only because I was the under bidder. I don't think anyone but the two of us knew what that was. I really wish I'd bid $400 and if I lost then I wouldn't have minded as much. I got nervous and stopped at $350, so I don't know how high the other guy would have gone. If I was wrong every dollar over the normal sale value of the lot would have been a dollar lost.

I was kind of in a catch 22 while the auction was going on. I wanted to post it here to get opinions, and if people had backed me up (as seems to be happening) I would have bid more. But if I did that while the auction was still live I'm sure some of you would have jumped in the bidding!
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 Posted 10/13/2011  12:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LTMets44 to your friends list

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But if I did that while the auction was still live I'm sure some of you would have jumped in the bidding!


Next time just post the picture, not the link to the actual auction. Then no one can steal your thunder..lol
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 Posted 10/13/2011  3:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jamwins to your friends list

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Definitely hard to be sure with such a dark coin but I thinkthe robe fold on the arm and the bottom of the robe up off of the step leans me towards a 1916.

Was it sold in a lot or buy tiself? What was the final bid?


The bidding ends Sunday and the minimum bid was lowered to $30. If it is a 1916, someone will either get a nice piece for their collection or make some nice dough!
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 Posted 10/13/2011  5:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Saruma to your friends list
jamwins,

Are you talking about your auction that you linked on the last page? As we have already said that is absolutely, 100%, no question whatsoever a 1917 T1. You might get $30 for it, but people get shy about a high opening bid even if they would end up spending that much in the end anyway. Good luck!
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 Posted 10/13/2011  6:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mdh157 to your friends list
thAT robe on the bottom looks like the real deal
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