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1857 Fec. Cleaned? Grade? Value?

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 Posted 10/16/2011  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LTMets44 to your friends list
He did say it looked polished, but only after I ask him why it looked so much brighter than the other FEC's that he was selling. He wanted $35 for the coin but I talked him down to $30. I knew that it was cleaned but wasn't sure how because there were no scratches or rub marks. But this was by far the nicest looking FEC and the cheapest in the building. I guess I overpaid, but I didn't buy it to make money off of it. I bought it cause I thought it would look nice in my coin album. =)
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 Posted 10/16/2011  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
The coin is too worn to show this much "luster"...yes, it has been polished or whizzed.
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 Posted 10/16/2011  7:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jessvc1 to your friends list
easily a VF.
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 Posted 10/16/2011  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list
The coin does have the look of a polished coin but I have never seen a polished coin have the kind of "luster" that this one has. The "luster" looks a lot like whizzing.
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 Posted 10/16/2011  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LTMets44 to your friends list
Doesn't "whizzing" Cause brush marks or scratches? Because I don't really see any with the loupe. It does have a lot of luster. that is what was throwing me off. The only thing I could think of is that it was dipped?
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 Posted 10/16/2011  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list
Whizzing should leave scratches. I am not completely sure that your coin is whizzed since you say that you don't see any scratches but from what I can recall all the coins that I have seen in person and in pictures that have this kind of luster have been labeled as whizzed. The overdipped and polished coins that I have seen all have this uniform shine and not the "cartwheel luster" that your coin has.
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 Posted 10/16/2011  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list
That "cartwheel", which shows up on the pictures...which shouldn't be present on a circulated coin...is indicative of hairlines/scratches however minute--imo. It could be the result of whizzing, wiping, or buffing.
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 Posted 10/16/2011  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidZerbato to your friends list
Definitely is cleaned, looks polished to me. It should have a nice even, grey/tan color to it. As long as you're happy.
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 Posted 10/16/2011  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list
Once you decide on grade I would go (greysheet value * .4) = price you should pay. If you feel like this is a VF, that would be about $25

That isn't a cartwheel, its just a glare. No cleaned, wizzed, anything coin has a cartwheel. Only the original luster present from the minting process leaves a cartwheel.
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 Posted 10/16/2011  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LTMets44 to your friends list
It does appear to have cartwheel luster in hand. Confusing, but still, I'm happy with it.
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The Cartwheel luster "look" can be achieved by whizzing, which is one of the reasons people deceive by doing this in order to "simulate" mint luster. I've owned several whizzed coins. It appears to have that cartwheel affect from the pics. This definitely isn't mint luster, so my bet is on whizzing.
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The Cartwheel luster "look" can be achieved by whizzing, which is one of the reasons people deceive by doing this in order to "simulate" mint luster. I've owned several whizzed coins. It appears to have that cartwheel affect from the pics. This definitely isn't mint luster, so my bet is on whizzing.


What you're saying is generally true, but I think there is a difference. You can get a certain kind of cartwheel look by whizzing a coin, but it looks different than real luster.

I cannot describe it very well, but a real mint luster cartwheel will literally bounce from side to side. A fake will glide.

Regardless, wizzed coins frequently look funny anyway so diagnostics aren't neccesary
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This definitely isn't mint luster, so my bet is on whizzing.


Which brings me right back to the question, If whizzed, why no scratches? Not even a hairline scratch under the loop?
If dipped, why the cartwheel luster?

I know that this coin has been cleaned. I just can't determine how. One form of cleaning usually has an effect. I can't see an effect on this coin. I have seen hairline scratches on coin that were lightly rubbed with 100% cotton cloths. This doesn't make sense to me.
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 Posted 10/16/2011  10:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Darth Anarchus to your friends list
I've seen buffing leave almost that kind of imitation "cartwheel"... Either way, it has good detail for the abuse it has taken, and you're happy with your first FEC... =
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 Posted 10/16/2011  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list

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Which brings me right back to the question, If whizzed, why no scratches? Not even a hairline scratch under the loop? If dipped, why the cartwheel luster?
I was just going by the pics...I could easily be wrong. However, a coin can be wiped or buffed in a circular motion that might produce very fine hairlines to give it the reflections in your pics...they are scratches, but at a microscopic scale.
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