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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm thinking that once they have this law in effect for a while they will realize just how ridiculous and unmanageable it is. At that point, they can either modify or scrap it. It doesn't seem to me to be of sufficient value that other states will want to copy it. Unlike the big states, like NY and CA, not too many states are looking to LA for direction.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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You would have thought more than 1 in the state legislature might have voted against it! Plus the governor signed it as well. Let's hope other states see the flaws. Not like what's going on with the TSA now they're in Tennessee on the interstates
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Nuts,
Here in Canada (Alberta), I believe only coin dealers have to keep tabs of sellers info when they buy from private sellers. And this only for about a month so that should the coins be stolen and the police come knocking, there'd be useful info to help track down the thief. Any more than this is over-reaching
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I agree, poboxw. I support the local law enforcement officers and their very difficult job. This does not mean that I want to abrogate the US Constitution in an all out effort at stopping crime. I understand that freedom and security are inversely proportional; the more we have of one, the less we have of the other. Because of this, society must choose the best compromise that we can. Unfortunately, most law makers are lawyers and either do not comprehend this simple truth or are aware of it and do not care. Either way, they are unlikely to successfully further the causes of either crime prevention or liberty.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Benjamin Franklin said it best about giving up Freedom for Security and that if you do that you have neither Freedom nor Security! Not the direct quote but the meaning nevertheless!
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Well said Ed,
One day there'd be too many laws and regulations for us to enjoy what all the paperwork was suppose to protect and help us to do.
Feel like that bit from Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, paperwork for paperwork.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Benjamin Franklin said it best about giving up Freedom for Security and that if you do that you have neither Freedom nor Security! Yes, Franklin did say that. What he did not say is that ANY society creates some rules of behavior that affect us all. In fact, it is these rules that we want the society to create and by which we become protected from the human predators. The trick is to achieve a balance that allows us to have a good compromise between things that are diametrically opposed. It simply is not possible to be free to do anything you want and also be completely secure in your person and property from others doing anything THEY want. That said, it certainly is possible to go overboard in either direction. One direction leads to slavery and the other leads to anarchy. Neither is desirable. Quote:
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One day there'd be too many laws and regulations for us to enjoy what all the paperwork was suppose to protect and help us to do. In at least one way, we are already there. Business in the US is now so stifled by rules, regs, taxes, and licenses that it is virtually comatose. The politicians sit around arguing and scratching their heads, wondering why we don't have a stronger economy and higher employment. Any small business person and most average citizens can figure this out almost immediately. Government and its requirements are literally consuming the nation. We are in an untenable position of facing the choice of whether to grow the economy or the government. This is an easy choice for a lot of us. Unfortunately quite a few of us are choosing poorly. We need about 1/2 of the government that we have. Until those in charge get this figured out, we will continue to flail about for the obvious answer to our problems.  |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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This is another example of a "we have a problem--do something" laws. Ask the police. They could do a much better job of catching crooks if they have a paper trail of the money end of things, and positive IDs of the people involved.
So Joe Blow goes to a rent to own, gets a $1000 TV, scrapes off the serial number, and sells it. The police figure it out, and they nail Joe. They get in court, the defense atty asks the secondhand dealer if he got ID, yup, he's the guy who sold it.
"Yerronner, I move the charges be dropped, this is Joe's identical twin John, and he was in jail when this happened."
Actually had a case like this once.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Exactly maybe that type of thing will lead to us having biometric I D but I'm not even sure how that would work with identical twins! There is just way too much tracking etc going on. I can't stand being 'watched' so often. I'm not doing anything wrong. Just gets creepy that someone might be at a computer monitor and watch you in all types of everyday activites creepy. (And Creepy is a program that can be used to GPS locate all you posted pictures!) Sorry to go off track a little
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It's funny how a law like this, passed in one of the most conservative states in the country, is somehow the fault of liberals. Militarization of police forces, no-knock warrants, warrantless wiretaps, the PATRIOT act, etc. are all broadly supported by conservative politicians. Other than a minority of the self-proclaimed libertarians out there, the only people actually opposing these kinds of things are liberal groups like the ACLU and a handful of liberal politicians (e.g. Russ Feingold). Of course, they get painted as fringe lefties who hate America.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I know it is really something what is going on like living all those creepy books I read way back when in high school NEVER thinking they could happen. F 451. 1984. Brave New World. Animal Farm to name a few. I can think of corresponding things from each going on today! It does frighten me
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United States
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If the perps were punished instead of given a get-out-of-jail-free-card, we would not have this problem. Since there are essentially NO consequences, there is nothing to stop the crooks. Taking 3 years to prosecute a petty theft encourages more theft. Turning a blind eye encourages more theft. And all the paperwork in the world will never change that as long as there are no consequences to bad actions. I DETEST Sharia law, but it DOES reduce theft to a minimum, WITHOUT the incredible cost of tracking every transaction. I would NEVER advocate Sharia law simply because it is too extreme, but we DO need to punish the perps and quit punishing the innocents. Until that happens, this problem will never go away. Consider this: Quote:Honor and honesty create wealth. Consider Orthodox Jewish diamond cutters. Historically, when they meet and examine individual diamonds, a cutter can take a diamond home to examine it and bring the same diamond back. They honor the commandment not to steal, because that is a sin. What is the practical economic consequence? The efficiency of diamond trading and diamond cutting is dramatically more productive than if a host of high tech security systems, passwords, polygraph tests and so forth were required for business. ( http://www.americanthinker.com/2008..._of_sin.html) If everyone followed that standard, there would be NO paperwork to track transactions, and every security company would go out of business. Think of the incredible waste of time and money that we are allowing to happen, and oftentimes encouraging. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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They could do a much better job of catching crooks if they have a paper trail of the money end of things, and positive IDs of the people involved. Yes, they could. My older brother was a cop for a long time and he often said that the police could end crime in very short order if they were allow to do so. They know all of the crooks and scumbags out there. Tossing all of them in jail would leave the streets crime free. Oh, dear! Whatever would we do then?  |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Cops serve to write reports after something happens. They rarely "prevent" crime.
When money is tight and they don't have enuf cops, the first reports that go are property crimes. Why? Like fender benders, it's just "stuff". Send your own report to the insurance co, get money from them to buy new "stuff", and you don't need cops.
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Pillar of the Community
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Cops serve to write reports after something happens. They rarely "prevent" crime. Well, that WAS the whole point of my comment. Cops do what cops are allowed to do. |
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