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Real Capped Bust Half Or Not?

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 Posted 01/20/2012  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add seateddime48174 to your friends list
keep in mind DM, the banner on the reverse of the bust half was punched into every individual die by hand, and thus the location will vary from die to die, actually, the stars were hand punched, the lettering United states of americA was on a ring punch I believe, the 50 C was hand punched, so all of that will vary from die to die.
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 Posted 01/21/2012  02:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list
Thanks, I do have a lot to learn but I'm getting there. I just ordered the Coin Collectors Survival Guide so I hope that helps me out some.
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 Posted 01/24/2012  3:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list
Just got it in. I have to process photos but I took one through my loup with my iPhone of the cheek area. Appears to be light bag marks maybe? No more really than is on the above photographed coins neck area. The black in the ebay image was just shadowing from the flash. Here is a photo of it. I will get the good ones processed tonight and post them to see what you all think about it.

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 Posted 01/24/2012  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list
Inside with regular lighting shot with my iPhone. This is what it looks like without heavy lighting.

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 Posted 01/25/2012  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list
Here are some shots in decent lighting from differrent angles. Please critique and let me know what you think about this coin. Does the toning appear to be original? Is their any advice you could give on how to tell? Thanks.

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 Posted 01/25/2012  09:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list
She is absolutely beautiful, great photographs.
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 Posted 01/25/2012  09:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list
Thank you, I appreciate the complement. Is the concensus still the same on it? I don't know if the other photos have revealed anything different or not is why I ask. I really love the toning on the coin but if it is artificial then I don't want to keep it. It is an overall gray color when in poor lighting. Don't know if that helps any or not.

Also, would the marks on the cheek honestly keep it from grading AU? I see so many AU and MS coins with marked up cheeks. It is confusing to me being new why it and other coins would or wouldn't make the grade. I really am not trying to be difficult or trying to talk myself into keeping the coin, I am just trying to understand this more.
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 Posted 01/25/2012  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list
The pics are great, and this is a pleasing coin to view. The facial marks and fingerprint don't lessen the grade, IMHO an XF-45, primarily given the extent of wear, flattened detail, on the curls and feathers. I doubt that any of the major grading services would go above XF on this coin.

Personally, I'd not have paid half as much as this coin cost. That said, the majority of coin collectors out there would not have paid half as much as I paid for my avatar coin! It all boils down to personal judgment and taste.
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 Posted 01/25/2012  10:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list
If thats the case then I won't return it just because I was dumb enough to overpay for it. I'll keep it as a reminder to not jump as fast next time. Part of the new guy due paying I suppose.

Thanks for the help and advise from all. Any other advise or words of wisdom are welcome as well.
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 Posted 01/25/2012  10:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list
DM1975, she looks to be in XF 45 range to me for a technical grade, with wear on her hair, brow, talons and wings. As for toning is is very difficult for me to decide on "original". Your photos bring out an aesthetically pleasing image with vibrant tones that is uncommon to be on both sides in the same way.

Is the toning easily seen or is it visible at just the right angle? I have two halves that are showing their tone but only on one side and only at certain angles.

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Granted these photos do not capture the beauty of the toning as yours do, but both show a subtle colorful reflection at the right angle, only on one side, and not the neon look your photo portrays.
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 Posted 01/25/2012  10:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
I would never purchase a coin in that price range not authenticated. It may well be real but I just don't like to take those chances. And since it is well overpriced too, for me I'd send it back. Actually I never would have purchased in the first place. You really have to start looking into finding coin shows and coin clubs.
Still if your happy with it and you can afford to well over pay for something you really like, might be OK.
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 Posted 01/25/2012  10:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list
The toning is hard to see unless you get it in the right lighting. Under poor lighting the overall look of the coin is a charcoal gray and has to have the lighting hit it right for the toning to show.

As for sending it back, if it was the seller that lied about something then I would but I have a hard time sending something back that I made the mistake in overpaying for. I am a member of a local coin club and will be taking this to one of the more knowledegeable members today to get an opinion on it.
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 Posted 01/26/2012  02:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amassey08873 to your friends list
Buyer has a 7 Day Return Policy, so if anything your out the return shipping. But all in all if you like it, thats what its all about. I think I just over paid for a coin because of the design it had on it. And It might not even be a coin, but rather bullion. All because it has the Justice Scale on it. Whats funny is if I had clicked 2pgs further I would of found another one for almost half the price but with a little more time left on the clock. lol I hope all works out for you. Post pics when you get it. Great series to go with.
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 Posted 01/26/2012  04:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list

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I think I just over paid for a coin because of the design it had on it. And It might not even be a coin, but rather bullion. All because it has the Justice Scale on it.


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 Posted 01/26/2012  1:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DM1975 to your friends list
Update on the coin, it is going to be sent back tomorrow. After talking with a few of the members of the local club I am in the final thought it has been recently cleaned and artificially re-toned. Had I just over payed for it I wouldn't send it back as I feel that is due completely to my lack of experience, but being that it is a doctored coin it will go back for sure.

The club members gave me some reading material about artificial toning for me to learn what to look for next time. Lesson learned for me. Thank you all for your help and input as well.
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