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They are all very nice coin. I particularly like the 4th one with the four turrets. They are harder to come by the the two turrets.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Nice group. I recently got my first but the emperor is unidentifiable and the reverse is terrible, could barely make out the campgate.
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Pillar of the Community
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The first three and the fifth have reverse legends of: PROVIDENTIAE AVGG. The one with four turrets has a different reverse legend: VIRTVS AVGG. The Constantine II and Constantius II coins have reverse legends of PROVIDENTIA CAESS. So I'm not sure your analysis hold up.
I like them all obviously, and to me the two sand patina coins are beautiful. But my favorite busts are the third and fourth Constantine I coins. They both display the great "Roman nose" I can well image Constantine might have had. If it wasn't for the "pink" spot on the reverse, the third coin would probably be my favorite.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think it's pretty much about the same with the exception of the VIRTVS AVGG. AVG(G) being Augusta. Providence of the Augusta(s).
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Pillar of the Community
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AVGG being two Augusta. Or perhaps Augusti plural.
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Pillar of the Community
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Like I said, it's just speculation and I am a novice, just started in November of last year. Beginning student.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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My fault, it is Augustus. Augusta is the female form.
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Pillar of the Community
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I know "VIRTVS AVGG" means "valor of the two emperors", but "PROVIDENTIAE AVGG" means "foresight of the two emperors", right?
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Pillar of the Community
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Augusti? I thought it was Augustae  Or can both terms be used? |
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Pillar of the Community
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Yes, I think it does. Although, JW wanted to know what the star was for and I gave my opinion in basic format. I am still learning what many of the legends mean.
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Pillar of the Community
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Same here. I need to brush up on a lot of the legends. I only recently started too (April of last year, but my collection really kicked off around August/September).
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Great coins JW; as usual!:) I like the desert patinas best!
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Pillar of the Community
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I've added another "campgate" to this collection. I just couldn't help myself. It's my first campgate from Licinius II. Heraclea RIC VII 36:   |
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Pillar of the Community
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That's another nice camp gate but with no star. Nice lighter sand patina.
I was going to pick up a Licinius II campgate coin, but some other deals came up recently. lol
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Pillar of the Community
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Valiant Knight: You have the right idea on the legends but abbreviations are not declined so we have to watch our assumptions. AVG can be Augustus (one male ruler) Augusta (one female ruler) or any case (of one ruler of any gender). AVGG can be nominative AVGVSTI (more than one male ruler) or even one Augustus and one Augusta on rare occasion but it can be genitive Augustorum (of more than one ruler). Many reverses will not be nominative but either genitive or dative (of the foresight, dedicated to the foresight). I'm not terribly sure we should be too strict on such things since many of the coins date centuries after the grammar rules of Cicero you were taught in Latin class and such things changed over time and across the huge empire. The only other abbreviation trick to watch out for is AVGGG meaning three or more rulers are being noted in the later part of the 3rd century but this concept was dropped by the time it came up again in the 4th century so we can't get hardline expecting this to be significant.
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