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How Can I Make Desert Patina?

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 Posted 02/04/2012  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list
Nice coins. That's one of the best looking Saloninacoins I've seen.
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 Posted 02/04/2012  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list

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How can I make desert patina?


Why would you want to? I love desert patina but I don't want any coins that may have fake patina of any sort.

Biancasdad: Very nice looking coins, especially the Syrian red. And echizento is right when he says that may be one of the best Salonina coins I've seen. Here is one of mine with a sand patina from Spain:

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 Posted 02/04/2012  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list
Thank you fellas.

I just looked at my records for the Salonina and I paid 20 Euros for it. A fairly common coin but not a bad example for the price.

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 Posted 02/04/2012  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add War Nickel to your friends list
Real toning cannot be faked. That's as bad as cleaning coins!
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 Posted 02/04/2012  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list
Well, I think cleaning is ok, especially if your coin looks like this!

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 Posted 02/04/2012  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list

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Real toning cannot be faked. That's as bad as cleaning coins!


You are correct about toning, especially in modern coins and even ancient gold/silver coins. But patina is a different matter. I have read articles where patina can be man made in a short amount of time using certain chemical compounds. But to apply a patina is as dishonest as making a fake coin IMHO. AND, when you are dealing with coins that have been buried for nearly 2000 years, you bet yer bippy they have to be cleaned. And they have to be cleaned properly as testified by the many threads regarding this topic.
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 Posted 02/05/2012  01:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list
Wish I had a coin with extensive desert patina My Constantinopolis commem from Alexandria just has it slightly around the edges and some around the details on the reverse.

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That's as bad as cleaning coins!

Ancients aren't like modern coins where you have to worry about if it's cleaned. Because a great majority are found buried under the ground or someplace that will make them encrusted and dirty, cleaning them is accepted and most times required, to help in identifying them.
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I heard patina is what the coin "makes" to protect itself from the elements. Is that true?
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 Posted 02/05/2012  03:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t0rress to your friends list

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Place the coin in a dry sandy soil and leave for 1000 years - bingo

bobby I know this method but I search a little faster

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Why would you want to?

I like desert patina but I cant buy one because I cant buy from US or middle east so I search way to make desert patina.
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I heard patina is what the coin "makes" to protect itself from the elements. Is that true?

Coins aren't sentient; They can't choose to protect themselves. It's all left up to the randomness of the chemical environment.

Patina is the formation of a layer of oxidation and corrosion byproducts around a coin. How "protective" it is depends on exactly what the composition of the layer is, which in turn depends on the composition of the original coin and the environment the coin was buried in. Most metals and alloys aren't very good at forming protective layers if they are buried in a random plot of soil.

If a coin is buried in alkali-lime soil, there's a good chance of malachite formation, which is both partially protective and attractive (if you don't mind your coins being a bright green colour). But if there's chloride (ordinary salt) in the mix, then you've got a good chance of developing bronze disease, a highly contagious and destructive form of patina.

As for the OP's question, yes, desert patina can be faked, but I can't think of any good reason why anybody would want to do that, and lots of bad reasons. Not least of which is, attempting to apply a fake patina would almost certainly require destroying the actual genuine patina it already has.

You don't find naturally occurring desert-patinated coins in Bulgaria because Bulgaria doesn't have any deserts. I know if I ever saw a native Bulgarian coin with a desert patina for sale, I'd run far away from it rather than buy it, because there's clearly something fishy going on, there.
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 Posted 02/05/2012  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Biancasdad to your friends list
t0rress,

There are many dealers that have desert patina coins that aren't from the US or the Middle East or from an area where there are deserts. I have purchased many from dealers in England, France, Germany, Canada, etc.

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 Posted 02/05/2012  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add t0rress to your friends list

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There are many dealers that have desert patina coins that aren't from the US or the Middle East or from an area where there are deserts. I have purchased many from dealers in England, France, Germany, Canada, etc.

I know but I cant buy ancient coins outside Bulgaria by the laws.
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I cant buy ancient coins outside Bulgaria by the laws.
Does that apply to trades too? A collector here might be willing to trade a coin with sand patina with one that originated in your country. Unless perhaps, customs checks every letter entering the country?
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Unless perhaps, customs checks every letter entering the country?

If the coin cost more 50 $ include the shipping the customs need to open it.I dont know about cheap coins but one friend said me that when I buy ancient coins from outside Bulgaria I am breaking the law
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t0rress, I'm sure one of us could find a coin with nice sand patina for well under $50. Or, we could recommend an ebay seller in Europe that sells sand patina coins.


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