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Darkside Philosophy: What Makes A Country?

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 Posted 02/23/2012  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgfindring to your friends list
To be more precise, one side is different for each country, the other side is the same for all countries.
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 Posted 02/23/2012  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
The rough latest date of my World collection is around 1950, when silver was all but gone from World circulating coinages.

Except for Mexico, the latest date that is carried on a circulating silver coin anywhere in the World, is 1974, which is the 5 Mark silver coin of Germany. Austria withdrew the silver 10 schilling in 1973.
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 Posted 02/23/2012  10:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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Does one collect currency or countries?

The existence of monetary unions means that one really has to collect currencies, rather than countries. Besides the euro, there are three other large multinational monetary unions: the Caribbean States dollar, the Central African franc and the West African franc. OFEC collectors find that trying to find genuine coins actually issued in the names of the member-states of any of these monetary unions to be the most challenging holes to fill.
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 Posted 02/23/2012  11:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vb3347 to your friends list

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Except for Mexico, the latest date that is carried on a circulating silver coin anywhere in the World, is 1974, which is the 5 Mark silver coin of Germany. Austria withdrew the silver 10 schilling in 1973.


Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that France minted some 50 Franc coins for circulation as late as 1979.
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 Posted 02/23/2012  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add augsburger to your friends list
See, I make it easier for myself. I am a one million from every country sort of person. It makes defining a country a lot less difficult as you'll never make it to a million I just collect anything and everything I can.
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 Posted 02/24/2012  01:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list
If I were an OFEC, or 2FEC, or even 3FEC then jgfindring's "philosophy" would make perfect sense. Knowing my collecting habits, I'd say, I would go for as many counties as I could. And having experienced different regimes in the same geographical locale I agree that those ARE different countries.

But I am a magpie who brings everything that shines and available to his nest, so I am not concerned with the number of countries in my database. Actually I find it easier to have fewer big categories with subdivisions than just hundreds of separate "countries".
My first division is by continents (which itself already could be problematic). Then I have countries, with their modern names and their current boundaries. Then each country could be subdivided according to different regions and principalities and governments it had.
So, I have "Germany" with subcategories of different German states and different regimes.
I have "India" with subcategories of different states, European colonies, and the republic. I know, that is unfair to Pakistan and Bangladesh who make their own countries in my catalog, but to construct a 100% accurate catalog you would have to make it four-dimensional.

All the "oldies" I place by the location. I have a couple of Romans, I stuck them in "Italy". If I ever get Roman provincial they would get to the country which currently occupies the territory - Turkey, Egypt, Croatia, etc.
I got a pulo from the Golden Horde, a Tatar - Mongol khanate prostrating over most of modern Asian Russia, and I filed in under "Russia".

Couple more examples, I catalog Nagorno-Karabakh in "Azerbaijan", and Transdniestria in "Moldova".
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 Posted 02/24/2012  02:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
vb3347: I can't confirm either way if the 50 Francs circulated or not.
I remember seeing an advertisement in a coin magazine in Australia advertising them as legal tender and as such, may have had limited circulation. Like I said, I can't confirm either way.

I guess that there may me several other silver coins the may also fall into this 'twilight' category, and perhaps also around the same period of 1974 to 1992 when the Mexican coins were issued.

The 50 Franc silver coin is quite a large coin and may have seen very limited circulation only, due to it's large size, and I GUESS that was probably the intention anyway.

When I was in Germany and Austria in 1970, the silver 5 marks and the the 10 Schilling were in wide scale everyday circulation. So also was the silver 20 Drachma of 1960, in Greece.
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 Posted 02/24/2012  07:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Angielczyk to your friends list
vb3347 My cousin was a market trader in Northern France and would often receive both the 50 and smaller 10 silver franc coins. He used to keep them in a large jar and each time that I visited him from the UK he would give me one. The latest year that I have is 50 francs from 1977 so I know that they were circulating to some degree then.
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 Posted 02/24/2012  08:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Litotes to your friends list
I agree with Sap. One can say that I do not so much collect coins from different countries, as I collect coins with different place names. It is different to be attributed to Ceylon or Sri Lanka, but is it not different to be attributed to France - whichever version of government.

I do not require the name of the place to be given on the coin, but I appreciate extra when it is.
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 Posted 02/24/2012  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chasinva69 to your friends list
I just rely on the Krause world coin catalogue to answer this for me. If a coin is listed in there, either from the 1700's, 1800's, 1900's and now 2000's, it is eligible for my OFEC collection.
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 Posted 02/24/2012  09:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Stan to your friends list
Great topic. I've actually posted about this myself in the past.

jgfindring, I use your system. I'm very picky.
I use the current country as the main header.

For example, I have the Dutch East Indies under Indonesia. I subdivide the DEI under the Dutch East India Company, Batavian Republic, Kingdom of Holland, British occupation, United Kingdom of the Netherlands, and Kingdom of the Netherlands. Since there were political changes, the DEI coinage should reflect this. I also have Sumatra, Palembang, etc. as subheadings under Indonesia.

I'm very, very picky though.
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 Posted 02/24/2012  11:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tane to your friends list
Times change, new countries are born and old ones disappear. You can't trust the Krause in issues like this, it is too illogical and inaccurate. Sometimes it thinks that a name change is enough to make a new country (DRC vs. Zaire) but on the other hand a complete reform in political, social and economic system of a country isn't (Russian Empire vs. the USSR). The only way to get some sense to it is to study history and politics and make up your own mind.

The problem will be less complicated if you only restrict the collection to current coins - then you can usually just check the member list of the UN.

Then there are countries which have no real coins, but only make collectors issues (DR Congo, Belarus) and on the other hand there are entities which are not recognized as countries but still have their own real circulating coins (Transdnistria)
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 Posted 02/24/2012  3:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list
I do not believe it is possible to make the "masterlist" that would explain/satisfy everybody's wants/needs. Eventually every collector has to choose his/her own criteria to compile the list.

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Times change, new countries are born and old ones disappear.
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The problem will be less complicated if you only restrict the collection to current coins ...

I detect a contradiction here. The problem is not going to be less complicated because of the top part of the quote.
Besides, many would agree that it is more interesting and satisfying to collect older coins, rich in history.
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 Posted 02/24/2012  5:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
Sel: Mexico issued its 10 peso coin with a sterling core from 1992-1995.
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 Posted 02/24/2012  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
Libetad: I can confirm. I have a 1992 10 peso. The curiosity value compelled me it add it to my collection. Pity it is not a 1995.
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