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What a coin!  |
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Nice coin, but why is it a moose? BenVA
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Nice coin, but why is it a moose? BenVA
The term "moose" is used to describe a real standout coin, one with eye appeal that pretty much crosses boundaries of taste and preference. It's generally used for toners, but other coins can qualify. Here's one that I feel is worthy of "moose," "monster," or anything else you'd care to call it:  1895 NGC PF69CAM, image shamelessley ripped from Anaconda Rare Coins |
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Oh, sorry. I am still learning the slang here. BenVA
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that coin looks artificially toned to me and in my book that makes it junk.or at least not a nice coin. I do agree though that it is a very pretty coin as far as the colors go but I wouldn't waste my time with it. that's just my opinion so don't flip your wig I'm not into AT coins. now show me a coin that has toned naturally and I would agree that's a nice coin.
JMHO
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Garylcsr,
I have a feeling that if Hadleydog posted this pic with the info along with it, that it is not an AT coin. He is pretty much the resident guru on toned coins as far as I have been reading, so I would trust that this one is not junk.....
That being said, I'm sure Hadley will reply before too long to your comments. Maybe I'm missing the joke that this is AT, but I would have thought the little "Devil" icon would have been included in the post if that was the case.
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sorry no joke there. I don't mean to say that the coin is junk that was a bad choice of words but myself I would not waist my time with an AT coin
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but myself I would not waist my time with an AT coin
Agreed. I think most would agree with that actually. I meant the "joke" comment on a joke that potentially I didn't understand with Hadley's initial post. certainly not your comments per say. I was just trying to note that I doubt it was AT if he was the posting person unless he was making fun at something... Written words can sure come across wrong, even after I reread my own posts an hour later. Sorry, was merely making an observation, certainly not pointing fingers or arguing in anyway. |
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that coin looks artificially toned to me and in my book that makes it junk.or at least not a nice coin. I do agree though that it is a very pretty coin as far as the colors go but I wouldn't waste my time with it. that's just my opinion so don't flip your wig I'm not into AT coins. now show me a coin that has toned naturally and I would agree that's a nice coin.
JMHO
Gary
Hey Gary, Welcome to the boards! Let me assure you Gary, the coin is naturally toned. There are several telltale signs on this Morgan that the coin is not AT......in other words, the coin displays colors and combinations that the coin docs simply cannot reproduce. Textile with multiple colors are NOT possible to replicate. If you look at the dots (the one between the cap and the U), you will see a yellow center, surrounded by red and cobalt. No doc in the world can replicate this. Also, the dots are the right size.....a little smaller than earlier years as the weave of the 1921 bags were tighter. Different colors on recesses as opposed to the relief......the docs can't do that, either. There is shadowing around the stars and date, and the color transitions are correct and smooth. Yup, she's the real deal!  Most people have never been exposed to some of the miracles that have been pulled out of old mint bags and have every right to question what they have not seen before......it's how we learn. As to the AT'd coins being worth melt, Gary, I couldn't agree with you more.  |
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Hello hadleydog and thank you for the welcome.
I am very sorry if I stepped on your toe's with my last post.
i have seen a few toned coins but I am in no way an expert on them. I like the coins that have a natural tone to them. not enough to purchase one but they are very pretty coins and yes I do have a few (none purchased toned) and what makes this particular coin seem AT to me is the very straight lines. I have not seen one that had the lines that gave the coin the appearance that it was dipped or added to the coin. my NT coins all have the ring like tone starting from the rim. from the paper that they were stored in. my 1958 double mint set is a great example, I don't have the camera at this moment but have a few coins that I will take photo's of to show you what I mean. I am positive that you know what I mean. by the way what do's the Rev look like?
Thanks hadleydog and every other member that has or may get into this discussion and please forgive me if I seem negative on this subject, I am not. but I do get taken wrong on occasion
Gary
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Gary, no apologies needed. The type of toning this 1921 Morgan has is called 'bag toned', where it acquired it's color from sitting for about 60 years undisturbed in the original canvas mint bag. The straight lines you are referring to are from a fold in the bag that pressed up against the coin.....the textile dots you see within this area match up perfectly with the weave from these bags. It's rare, and highly sought after by us color nuts. It sounds like your toned coins developed from albums, and are a little different than bag toned coins in that they develop their color from the rim inwards. This often leads to bulls eye patterns, and are almost always toned on both sides (bag toned are usually only toned on the side that was in contact with the bag). The last addition to my collection is album toned, and I'm quite pleased with her. Here's a picture, you can see how the color developeded from the rims to the center like your coins have.   Image:  1891-ccrev1.jpg33.62 KB Image: 1891-ccobv1.jpg44.12 KB Edited by hadleydog
02/07/2007 06:01 am
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please forgive me if I seem negative on this subject, I am not. but I do get taken wrong on occasion
Gary, no need to apologize at all. That is the inherent problem with typing compared to speaking, and I do it myself. It's very hard not to come across wrong when you can't talk to the person face to face. I read all posts as if someone had a smile on their face when writing it, and it makes it easier to not read into things per say. Hadley, once again an awesome explanation. I would have no idea where to look and what to look at when dealing with "color". You are a wealth of knowledge on this. Thanks |
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Hadley. that is exactly what I was talking about (your second coin) but I still stick to my guns as for the other coin it is possible and probably even likely that you are correct. but if I have any doubt at all I stay away and don't bite even if I am wrong. I have found in quite a few yrs of searching and collecting that if I go with my first impression I "usually" don't get burnt. all though I have been bit in the past. and that is the only reason that I approach coins like this very slowly and sometimes remove myself very quickly. and yes I have watched that one in a million leave in another's hand because of my first impression. but I always feel good about my actions in the end. sorry I'm not trying to be a poet. just trying to make myself understood as tactfully as possible. and to sum it all up. you should be very happy with your coin wether or not I like it. but as for myself. I would not buy it. I did learn from this one coin though so my time is not wasted and that's a good thing. not quoting Martha lol
Thanks for your time and understanding
Gary
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you should be very happy with your coin wether or not I like it.
Hi Gary, I think you missed that this coin does not belong to me..........I wish. It belongs to Andy Kimmel of Paragon numismatics, and is not nor has been for sale for a very, very long time now (at least 15 years). |
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