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Would You Buy This Coin Without A Cert?

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 Posted 05/18/2012  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beaglebailey to your friends list
Right now there are 9 bidders who obviously disagree with the consensus of this forum, and over 5 days still left. It goes without saying:'Let the buyer beware'.
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 Posted 05/18/2012  4:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list
doesn't any of the bidders see all the pits in the face? This must have been cleaned..
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 Posted 05/18/2012  8:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
Sure wouldnt. I wont buy any raw coins from ebay though
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 Posted 05/20/2012  12:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Silver Searcher to your friends list
Oh my god! 79 bids, about 2700 dollars! Can we stop this?
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 Posted 05/20/2012  01:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list

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Oh my god! 79 bids, about 2700 dollars! Can we stop this?


So do you want to start cleaning the morgans and ill list them or would you prefer to be the lister?
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 Posted 05/22/2012  3:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dooby Rak to your friends list
$3,050.00. The top bidder can't be serious. Must me someone that put in a high bid and has no intention of paying.
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 Posted 05/22/2012  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SteveCaruso to your friends list
I will gawk and stare....

...but I will not get involved. :-)
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 Posted 05/22/2012  4:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list

fcrazo said "Me no touchy this coin."

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05/22/2012 4:01 pm
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 Posted 05/22/2012  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list
I like the finger print at 8 o clock on the reverse.
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 Posted 05/22/2012  6:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dooby Rak to your friends list
The seller claims this is a proof coin, but isn't the 1895 the only proof Morgan. 1895 Philadelphia issue, which has only been found as a proof mintage of 880 dollars. This coins is a 1888 and he also claims 880 made. This looks like a Deep Mirror Proof-Like (DMPL), not a real proof coin.

If is not a proof coin then this is a misleading or incorrectly labeled add and can be reported to ebay. They will pull it for fraud. If it was real 1894 proof, and cleaned and even with a finger print at the 8 o'clock it would be worth over $20,000. I'm calling shenanigans on this one.
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 Posted 05/22/2012  7:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
1895P is a proof-only issue, not the only Morgan proof(proofs were minted for every single year including a few branch mint proofs) and most years have a mintage of between 700 and 1000. Your given value is way off as an 1888 PR60 is worth $1350 while a PR67 is only worth $15,940 per Numismedia and almost all proof Morgans can be obtained for less than $5000. The coin is most likely a genuine proof but knowing the seller, the surfaces are almost certainly not original which means the coin is already way overpriced with current bids at the PR63 level.

The 1895P proof is so bloody expensive because of demand that is not present for the rest of the issues due to the silly notion that a Morgan set is not complete unless an 1895P is included. There was an alleged mintage of 1895P business strikes but none have ever been proven to exist so the entire mintage was either melted or never existed in the first place.
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 Posted 05/22/2012  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Or you could look at one of the two or three largest ebay coin dealers, a firm with 73,000 feedbacks and a reputation for selling authentic coins with "flattering" photography. No doubt in my mind it's a genuine 1888 Proof, but at that price it needs to be 64CAM, and as tough as Proofs are graded there's no way to determine it from the images provided.

I'm honestly amazed there are people left who don't know about these guys. They sell decent stuff - solid businessmen - but they're very good at presenting a coin in its' best-possible light.
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 Posted 05/22/2012  7:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
At 3,000 dollars current bid:

NO.

I would need a recognised and respected third party opinion on this one.

I can't see anything wrong with it, with the pictures presented. I would put money on it however, that it is a Chinese fake, anyway.

I would love to have MY opinion disproved.
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 Posted 05/23/2012  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list
I think Dave said it best. They are one of the Top ebay dealers and I really doubt it's a fake.

There are probably some other minor issues that once you see the coin in hand, are obvious and when you go back and look at the picture you'll go, "Oh man, it was in the picture, ever so barely."

They may not be lying and cheating, but they aren't being 100% honest.
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 Posted 05/23/2012  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Namachieli to your friends list
Also, they have a good return policy.

"Great Southern Coins has an unconditional return policy if notified within 14 calendar days of the receipt of the merchandise."

I'm not in anyway defending these guys, but there are FAR worse people out on the bay.
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