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Posted 02/19/2007 07:11 am
Update on Coin #3: it could, I suppose, be a half-thaler: KM#1146, CV $800 in VF. There are a couple of differences between the example pictured in Krause and your one (most notably the Spanish arms in the lower right quarter of the shield). The thaler, unfortunately, is un-illustrated. I suppose you'd tell the difference by size and weight: If I understand correctly (and these pictures in Krause are correct), a ½ thaler is about 37mm diameter and should weigh ~15 grams; a full thaler 43mm and ~30 grams.
If it really is a thaler, I'd hate to hazard a guess at value, but it would probably be in the multiple thousands. The Davenport catalogue has this to say:
Breslau thalers of Leopold I are difficult to obtain, especially the earlier years...extremely rare...is the 1 thaler with staff and orb...
Anyways, to continue the ID list...
Coin 8: As has been indicated, a Russian rouble of 1798, Tsar Pavel (Paul) I. The cross is formed from four "Cyrillic P" letters (shaped the same as the Greek letter Pi). KM/C# 101a, CV $90 in VF.
Coin 9: Prussia 1 thaler 1778, "A" mintmark. KM# 332.1, CV $125 in VF.
Coin 10: Another Prussian thaler, this one 1751, "B" mintmark. KM# 256, CV $250 in VF.
Coin 11: Man, this one's got me stumped. It seems a 30 kreuzer (or some similar denomination starting with "KR"), and that's the portrait and titles of Maria Theresa, Empress of Austria - so it's somewhere in the Hapsburg domain - the griffins holding the shield point to some king of Austrian States issue, but I can't see any listed with that particular arms. Most of the "normal" 30 kreuzer coins from Austria or Austrian states feature a prominent diamond shape which the portrait etc rests in; this coin doesn't have that. I can't see a date anywhere on the coin, either, which is unusual for the time period we're talking about (Maria Theresa ruled 1765-1780). The only other clue: there seems to be some mention on the obverse to "VIEN" - I would assume Vienna, Austria. Maybe it's an "Empress visits the Mint" souvenir kind of thing. I can't make it out from the pic; what's the rest of the wording under the portrait say?
Coin 12: Prussia 1/3rd thaler 1769 B, KM# 303, CV $25 in VF
Coin 13: Prussia 1/6th thaler 1764 E, KM# 299, CV $15 in VF
Coin 14: That's a toughie - partly because of the fuzzy pic, partly because one of the few legible words is the ruler's name: Alexander. That name sent me down quite a few garden paths before I found the prize: it's a coin of the Margravate of Brandenburg-Ansbach, Duke Alexander (1757-1795). 20 kreuzers. It looks most like KM#255.2, which was a one-year-type (1764 S). CV for that one is $30 in VF; this one with a much nicer picture from CoinArchives sold for 120 euro ($153).
Coin 15: Nuremberg 20 kreuzers, looks like 1767. KM# 344, CV $40 in VF. this one on CoinArchives from 1766 sold for $83 in 2001.
If it really is a thaler, I'd hate to hazard a guess at value, but it would probably be in the multiple thousands. The Davenport catalogue has this to say:
Breslau thalers of Leopold I are difficult to obtain, especially the earlier years...extremely rare...is the 1 thaler with staff and orb...
Anyways, to continue the ID list...
Coin 8: As has been indicated, a Russian rouble of 1798, Tsar Pavel (Paul) I. The cross is formed from four "Cyrillic P" letters (shaped the same as the Greek letter Pi). KM/C# 101a, CV $90 in VF.
Coin 9: Prussia 1 thaler 1778, "A" mintmark. KM# 332.1, CV $125 in VF.
Coin 10: Another Prussian thaler, this one 1751, "B" mintmark. KM# 256, CV $250 in VF.
Coin 11: Man, this one's got me stumped. It seems a 30 kreuzer (or some similar denomination starting with "KR"), and that's the portrait and titles of Maria Theresa, Empress of Austria - so it's somewhere in the Hapsburg domain - the griffins holding the shield point to some king of Austrian States issue, but I can't see any listed with that particular arms. Most of the "normal" 30 kreuzer coins from Austria or Austrian states feature a prominent diamond shape which the portrait etc rests in; this coin doesn't have that. I can't see a date anywhere on the coin, either, which is unusual for the time period we're talking about (Maria Theresa ruled 1765-1780). The only other clue: there seems to be some mention on the obverse to "VIEN" - I would assume Vienna, Austria. Maybe it's an "Empress visits the Mint" souvenir kind of thing. I can't make it out from the pic; what's the rest of the wording under the portrait say?
Coin 12: Prussia 1/3rd thaler 1769 B, KM# 303, CV $25 in VF
Coin 13: Prussia 1/6th thaler 1764 E, KM# 299, CV $15 in VF
Coin 14: That's a toughie - partly because of the fuzzy pic, partly because one of the few legible words is the ruler's name: Alexander. That name sent me down quite a few garden paths before I found the prize: it's a coin of the Margravate of Brandenburg-Ansbach, Duke Alexander (1757-1795). 20 kreuzers. It looks most like KM#255.2, which was a one-year-type (1764 S). CV for that one is $30 in VF; this one with a much nicer picture from CoinArchives sold for 120 euro ($153).
Coin 15: Nuremberg 20 kreuzers, looks like 1767. KM# 344, CV $40 in VF. this one on CoinArchives from 1766 sold for $83 in 2001.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
Edited by Sap
02/19/2007 07:13 am
02/19/2007 07:13 am
