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 Posted 07/25/2012  08:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SDcoinguy to your friends list
i think the issue is the fact that before the gold standard, PM/s weren't looked at as PM/s at all.... so your going to go BACK 40= years and have to make/take GOLD and SILVER off the commodities trade....but, hence the dollar falling completely off the scales... it might be easier to do
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 Posted 07/25/2012  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lostsean to your friends list
Usa debt is about 15.6 trillion last month,
China is the stronger power backed by Pms these day's, pretty sure the had more efficent new amrys traing and sent to the east islands of china,(defence).
As for the chip, many talked since 1980's about this, there in our cats,dogs, and keycards for A.T.M and pertucees that it seems we might be next?
Bit hard to microchip 7 billion+ people, but if there were fewer?

You can see where I'm going here, but in the end it makes sence they will chip us( money/credits,health data,history & convictions) and gold and silver will probabally become a black market!
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 Posted 07/26/2012  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list
I think the most likely outcome is that within a hundred years, money will be used (in the US) only by the Donald Trumps of the world, and the rest of us will get by mostly with barter--money will be an afterthought. This was actually a rather commonplace scenario where I went to college. For three years, no matter where I worked, I was paid in goods. I still remember negotiating with a potential employer to be paid in vegetables, rather than the offered money, because the food was more valuable than the ten dollars a day. If Earle was in the area in the early 2000s, he could probably offer you even more anecdotes about this.

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 Posted 07/26/2012  9:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list
Barter? Are you kidding? The whole idea of currency is because barter is not very efficient mostly. I mean if I have some fresh fish, and want to trade half of them for some rice to make a sushi roll, then I am going to need to find someone else who has rice, and wants fish. Not all that likely really. Much better is to have a medium of exchange that everyone basically accepts, then I don't need to worry that the guy with rice wants a fish or whether he wants some carrots because he will take the medium of exchange and use it to get what he wants.
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 Posted 07/26/2012  9:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JackB to your friends list
Not to mention, you're going to be under pressure as your fish gets old, amd may have to settle for less than you hoped for, or throw it out, for a loss.
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 Posted 07/26/2012  10:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list
If were bartering its because everything has crashed and its doomsday preppers mode.

100 years from now there probably wont be cash and coins for everyday use or a minimal amount as everything will be electronic
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 Posted 07/26/2012  10:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
Barter may work on a small scale in local economies but not nation wide. There will need to be some sort of national currency. We may see the dollar devalued by 100, 1000, 10,000 or more in order to wipe out the massive debt that can no longer be paid. Once devalued, it could be backed by gold, silver, and platinum. Everyone thinks gold moves in relation to the dollar. The dollar and other fiat currencies actually move in relation to gold. The dollar has not been around for 5000 years like gold has.
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 Posted 07/26/2012  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list
@Everyone disagreeing with my sentiment: Sure, we'll still have currency on a passing level, because the only "hard currency" in barter is food, and as you guys pointed out, even that isn't universal--I'm not going to weed your garden for milk and cheese, because I'm lactose-intolerant, and you may not accept my offer of weeding your garden for chicken and bell peppers because you have one of those fancy bubble-gardens that does not grow weeds. You're not going to pay your factory workers in food and not have a revolt, because they'd have to choose between their precious food-pay rations and other life necessities.

However, I do believe that barter will become a substantial amount of our trade as the large corporations collapse under their own weight and we return to a small/local business model. Like I said, there was a point in time when I preferred to be paid in food and winter clothes because that was more valuable to me than whatever money you might offer. During that same period of time I edited a master's thesis for the following wage: $100 in cash to be paid upon completion, two meals, and a pair of jeans up front. Nominally this was for six hours' worth of work, but in reality it paid for about ten (I had to cross-reference her citations, etc. and we did not share a discipline). The cash paid for groceries, gloves, and new sneakers because the duct tape on mine was falling apart, but it was the meals and jeans that were most valuable to me--hence why I requested that payment first. If the dollar's current trend keeps up, that's going to be true for a lot of people.
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 Posted 07/29/2012  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
LOL, if you want silver and gold to be accepted currency in the world you first have to abolish tax revenue agencies because they are the middlemen. You work to get paid, so what will happen when someone wants to pay you with something other than government money backed with promises and lies? You instantly become a white-collar criminal! PMs will most certainly be frowned upon by the media who works for these criminal enterprises.
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 Posted 07/29/2012  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list
@IndianGoldEagle: Yes, we must see the bigger picture, but the local counts for a LOT. Everything you do even at home is a small microcosm of the world. The small is a metaphor for things happening on the global scale. Sorry to generalize, but I've found this to have at least some truth in it.
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 Posted 07/29/2012  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dohmenator to your friends list
All of those coins that you thought were pointless... Suddenly would be valuable.
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 Posted 07/29/2012  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list
Dohmenator you are correct. History should not be ignored. Just a couple examples would be 1920's Germany, 1990's Argentina, 2000's Zimbabwe. Coins became far more valuable than their face value.
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 Posted 07/29/2012  8:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OldSkoolMadSkilz to your friends list

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Barter? Are you kidding? The whole idea of currency is because barter is not very efficient mostly. I mean if I have some fresh fish, and want to trade half of them for some rice to make a sushi roll, then I am going to need to find someone else who has rice, and wants fish.


Besides, who would want to go shopping carrying a box of fish!
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 Posted 10/19/2012  11:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jwguts to your friends list
Simpler household items could be like a currency in a bartering society... bars of soap, rolls of toilet paper, tubes of toothpaste, etc etc. Fish would be a less usual item in commerce.
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 Posted 10/24/2012  02:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 3stooges to your friends list
The FRN has already gone through a slow motion crash. Today's "dollar" has (depending on the source) 3 to 5 percent of the spending power of a 1912 dollar.
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