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Our Attempts At Cleaning So Far

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 Posted 09/09/2012  7:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erkle to your friends list
thanks guy's, I have searched for a couple but only being new to this I'm still learning how to put a coin to its era. and any tips on cleaning would be considered, so far we have used olive oil, de-mineralized water and peroxide in small doses, along with the back of a scalpel and a toothbrush, by the way I used plain olive oil and left it sitting in the sun for a few days first, until it had lost some of its colour, I was told that helps to remove any acids in the oil?
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 Posted 09/09/2012  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
You are being much more patient than I ever was. I no longer clean coins finding that it's just not for me. If I had your coins, I would be so frustrated they would have been in my slugs pile already. You, at least, are making progress and I applaud you for that. IMHO the coins you have posted will not clean up very well. There seems to be a lot of corrosion that has eaten away at the metal leaving very little to identify. Good luck and keep posting your progress. I amy not be very good at cleaning, but at least I find your efforts interesting to follow.
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 Posted 09/09/2012  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list

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so far we have used olive oil, de-mineralized water and peroxide in small doses, along with the back of a scalpel and a toothbrush


This pretty much covers everything I've tried, others may be able to help though as I'm not a big cleaner.
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 Posted 09/10/2012  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nothus to your friends list
You can get a soft bristled brass brush over at ancient forvm or NRC for 5 bucks or so. In my experience they help knock off some of the top layer of grit and help get things going, you just don't want to brush very hard or for very long - and I only do it under running water but I forget who told me to do that. I admire your patience and restraint, some of those look like they will clean up nicely.
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 Posted 09/10/2012  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list
you are very patient indeed, like jw I would have thown in the towl on those. please keep us posted on your progress, I'm interested in how these will turn out.

can I ask what the "peroxide in small doses" technique is? I havne't heard of that.

Thanks!
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 Posted 09/10/2012  10:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erkle to your friends list
when the coin is under the microscope I put a drop or 2 or peroxide on the coin for about 5 minutes, wipe, brush and have another scrape before putting back into the oil
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 Posted 09/10/2012  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsmat71 to your friends list
oh ok, thank you erkle. best of luck with your cleaning!
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 Posted 09/10/2012  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
AS far as cleaning is concerned, discretion rather than valour may be better applied at this point. So far I think you have done really well with them.

It is my opinion that these coins have sustained corrosion before you ever got to them. I do not think that extra chemical cleaning will help.

The next step will require considerable patience and skill. Picking at them now using an orange stick, and vision assisted with a loupe, seems to be the next move.

Do a screen dump of the pictures you have taken to assist.
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09/10/2012 10:44 pm
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 Posted 09/11/2012  02:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erkle to your friends list
spoke with a friend today about these, he suggested freezing them and then dropping into boiling water, theory is cold shrinks the coin, the sudden hit of heat may break the encrustation away?
i have no idea if it will work but it does seem to be worth a try next time I get them out, has anyone else tried this before? if so do I or dont i.
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 Posted 09/11/2012  05:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I like the theory, but from my experience, it was a disaster.

I tried that once. I heated a late Roman bronze to the point where I could just handle it with my fingers, then plunged it into cold water.

The result?

The coin just broke up into a jillion little particles.

The metal for a coin comes out of the ground. That is exactly where the result of my little experiment ended up.
"From dust to dust, ashes to ashes."
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 Posted 09/11/2012  06:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erkle to your friends list
expansion then contraction, I wonder if it will work the other way around? did you try both ways or just the heating of the coin and putting into cold. I might still try it if you only tried heating the coin
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 Posted 09/11/2012  09:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
I really do not think heating / cooling, OR cooling / heating with ancient copper silver or bronze coins is a good idea. I found out the hard way.

From what I can surmise, there is a great probability that corrosion products at least to a minor extent, can effuse themselves right through the body of a bronze coin. If that has in fact happened during the last 1600 years or more, and you attempt to heat or cool it, there is a very risk of disaster, as I found out for myself.

You just have no way of knowing the extent of chemical degradation of the body of the coin before you start heating or cooling it.

Degradation of the body of ancient silver coins has a different cause. Quite often after an ancient silver coin is struck, a very slow natural crystallisation process can start, which affects the whole body of the coin. This is why some ancient silver coins are chipped. I would imagine that an ancient silver coin that is subjected to severe cooling or heating may spontaneously break up as well.

I certainly would NOT contemplate the risk.
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09/11/2012 09:32 am
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 Posted 09/11/2012  09:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
. Many of these coins become brittle so that the contraction/expansion is likely to cause breakage. I had one silver denarius of Caracalla which I dropped ON CARPET, and it snapped in two.
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 Posted 09/11/2012  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list
WOW it broke on the carpet?!! I would have been both shocked and devastated. In my experience of heating ancient bronze coins, I have done it a few times in the oven @ 450 degrees, Out of the 20 or so coins that I have finally made it to the baking process, I lost 4. One crumbled in my hand, the others just cracked and the metal began to flake off in clumps. Not a good idea- this process should be avoided, unless you are treating bronze disease on a small effected area. IMHO.
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 Posted 09/11/2012  4:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erkle to your friends list
thanks thats put enough doubt into the theory to cancel it for now, next purchase I will buy a couple of low quality coins to try it with for my own experience, but defiantly not with the better looking ones
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