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Guess The Grade-1860-O Seated Liberty Dollar

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 Posted 09/18/2012  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tbone to your friends list
Very nicely done. NGC gave it a 40. I was think more like 45 myself. Anyone ever send anything to CAC? It's got such nice eye appeal I'm thinking it might be a good candidate.
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 Posted 09/18/2012  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list
i dont know if the $150 retail spread between 40 and 45 is worth the chance...if you were thinking it would grade up to AU50 its worth the time and energy but chances are not in your favor with the poorly struck stars and some of the other contact marks...I'm not sure they would give it the +5
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 Posted 09/18/2012  7:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list
Honestly, at XF40 this might just be a good CAC candidate, not to mention the coin fits the demographic of those for whom a green bean is relevant.
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 Posted 09/18/2012  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noahs-numismatics to your friends list
Nice coin! Great one to add to the collection:)
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 Posted 09/19/2012  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murrellington to your friends list
I never grade coins so I wouldn't take my opinion. lol.

but I tried grading this one before looking at other opinions to keep my opinion unbiased. I came up with VF35

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 Posted 09/19/2012  06:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list
VF-20 if not lower by actual wear rather than purely 'diagnostics'...these were struck very hard in some areas and the presence of certain features didn't mean it didn't take a lot of wear. It's not anywhere close to an EF coin IMO.
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 Posted 09/19/2012  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list
XF40 and a nice one too!
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09/19/2012 08:25 am
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 Posted 09/19/2012  09:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinguy1000 to your friends list
XF40, Cool Dollar!
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 Posted 09/19/2012  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list

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VF-20 if not lower by actual wear rather than purely 'diagnostics'...these were struck very hard in some areas and the presence of certain features didn't mean it didn't take a lot of wear. It's not anywhere close to an EF coin IMO.


after researching I can understand this opinion. I just reviewed several coins on HA archives and I get it. I still think TBONE has a 40 based on my research. I'm not so sure NGC experts got it that wrong that they're off by 20 points.


PCGS VF35
http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...8&lotNo=8015

NGC VF25
http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...7&lotNo=8666

and here is TBONE's coin that he purchased

http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...o=8830#Photo

its an exact match
Super - I'm fishing baby!
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09/19/2012 10:02 am
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 Posted 09/19/2012  10:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list
I had put this one at around VF-35. IMO, I think it will be unlikely this coin will receive a CAC sticker or get bumped up if you resubmit. Nice pickup!
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 Posted 09/19/2012  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tbone to your friends list
From PCGS photo grade pages

http://www.pcgs.com/photograde/#/SeatedDol/Grades


VF30

Guess-The-Grade-1860-O-Seated-Liberty-Dollar


VF35

Guess-The-Grade-1860-O-Seated-Liberty-Dollar


XF40

Guess-The-Grade-1860-O-Seated-Liberty-Dollar


XF45

Guess-The-Grade-1860-O-Seated-Liberty-Dollar
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 Posted 09/19/2012  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list
Note that this coin is very strongly struck in the 'key diagnostic areas'. That's the main reason it warrants a lower literal 'wear' grade but could get a bump to 25 or 30 because it looks nice. There are often XF coins with some luster that have less detail in the 'key areas' than this coin but sometimes....the feathers on the eagle will be all there all the way down to Fine.
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 Posted 09/19/2012  11:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nod2003 to your friends list
As on O mint, those usually had poor strikes. Based on that XF40 or even 45 looks about right to me.
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 Posted 09/19/2012  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list
As far as this specific O mint date for this denomination (while you're generally correct), that hasn't been my experience. I've seen a lot of these really sharply struck with the 1871, 1872, and 1873 P mints having a lot of weakness. Almost a slight difference in design. There are a few Seated dollar dates that come with the hammer strike more often, and then the rest usually are weak.
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 Posted 09/19/2012  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list
Xf40, send it to cac and see what they say.
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