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Valued Member
United States
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My first question for good ol' Mike would be:
Could you please explain the statement, "...but I agreed to reship the coins anyway, even though I had NO PAYMENT at the time, and I'm already out the coins I sent you."
If you had NO PAYMENT, why did you ship the coins in the first place?
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New Member
United States
4 Posts |
To answer Mathman -- Ty paid but put in a Paypal complaint after not receiving the item for three weeks, apparently under advice of this board. When a buyer does this through Paypal, payment is instantly removed from the seller's account and put in escrow. There have been times when an item was lost, was resent, the new items arrives but due to Paypal's error the money never gets credited back to the seller and the buyer gets a refund AND the coins. This is why there is a risk involved in resending something without the complaint being dropped.
While some sellers will claim that once the item leaves the sellers hands that it is not their responsibility, we will usually reship an item if it doesn't show up after about a month. THis is also the waiting period to put in an insurance claim. That particular batch of orders contained a couple of shipments that were returned due to smeared labels. One just got back here a few days ago, it apparently went to Alaska, the address part of the label got smeared, it couldn't get delivered. so it got returned here. My guess with Ty's is that both the return and the address label got smeared and it couldn't get delivered or returned. I certainly understand the customer's concern that the items were not delivered, which is why he gets reshipment or a refund. Also, since we use a private insurance company, there is a waiting period for putting in claims, and if we put in too many claims we will get dropped, so it's likely we will just eat this loss.
To answer okie-colin, if you thought the BU coin you received was F-12 with damage, you can return the coin, as stated in my return policy listed in every auction. I put in the mention about negative feedback specifically because we have received attacks from other dealers that buy small items just to leave negative feedback, and then put in chargebacks and/or returns for the items. This does not happen often but we want to deter that activity. I disagree that stating an upfront policy in the listing is a form of bullying, that might be the case if that is said after the auction or in individual emails. If the buyer doesn't like the terms they don't have to buy the items.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
882 Posts |
Mikescoins,
I paid you the day after I won your auction. You can check the delivery confirmation yourself and clearly see it never even left your town. I "patiently" waited for my shipment for over two weeks. You don't reply to emails. All your negative feedbacks are because you don't reply to emails.
All you had to do is check my messages, clearly see, with the information you already have, that the items never even left your town. All you had to do was email me and say the shipment was lost in the mail. All you had to do was say you needed to wait a month and collect your losses for this lost shipment. All you had to do was "communicate" with the buyer. I can't just sit here, waiting four to five weeks, and watch my coins and/or money disappear.
Mike, there is a time limit for me to collect my losses from items not being received. If I waited ONE more week for you to get this "lost" shipment to me, I couldn't collect my losses. With your lack to communication, I realized filing the dispute was my only assurance to getting anything back from this transaction. You still had 5 days to get the items to me. The claim was never made tell you told me you were not going to ship the items. I gave you time, I was patient, yes I got advice from this board and used to my own benefit, but I'm still coin less, moneyless, and quite disappointed in your business strategies. Ty
Edited by Tykimeister 04/19/2007 10:49 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1083 Posts |
To answer MikesCoins before I return a coin it is good practice to get the seller to acknowledge that there is a problem and that he will give you a refund. You did not answer or acknowledge my emails. I think the tone of your last posting is more reasonable and perhaps we can all walk away from here having learned something to help us deal with future transactions more fairly. I am always an optimist.
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Valued Member
United States
96 Posts |
Mike- I feel that making a better effort to communicate with your customers via email may help solve some of your feedback problems. You will find that ebay business will increase substantially if the seller is courteous, responsible, and honest. Just my opinion. -Scott
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Forum Dad
 United States
24170 Posts |
Mike,
If you are indeed responding to emails and they're not getting through you may need to check your mailserver to make sure it's not on any blacklists.
If it is, it would cause your emails to not go through and usually you won't even get a bounce notice. AOL is notorious for this. They think thay know better than you what you should and shouldn't read.
If you need help and don't know how to check it let me know.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
7123 Posts |
Mike I had a package returned that the recipients address had gotten wet and smeared so I know that can happen,, I fixed the problem by clear taping over the address both recipient and return on all of my packages from then on!! I agree that communication is the most essential part of selling on ebay ,, it is a trust issue to send money by whatever payment method to a person that for all the world you have never met and more than likely never will. Just think how you would feel if you had to send the Item first and trust the buyers to pay you after they received it ? Metalman
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1083 Posts |
Just to throw some perspective on this whole discussion - which really revolves around customer service, let me describe what happened to me today. I bid and won a really nice FBL Franklin proof at a very low price. Eight days later no coin and no reply to two emails so I call this guy in California. He is busy, but assures me it has shipped. I asked him to check and verify by email. Everyone makes mistakes and he had not shipped the coin. Today in the mail I got a package with $3 in it(shipping refund on $2.50)and a flawless Proof 1962 quarter as an apology for the late shipping. In another package is the Franklin Proof and it is even better than the picture - easily MS-67 and FBL. Now that is customer service in spades and illustrates the other side of the coin (pardon the pun) of this whole discussion. Just to satisfy your curiousity he does business as Dottie's Coins and his ebay user id is egreg46. Everyone can make a mistake is is how you act and communicate afterward that really matter.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I have a few things to say about this topic, first of all the insurance and waiting of 30 days has nothing to do about when the buyer can file a paypal claim.
Secondly the insurance is to protect the seller not the buyer and even if he didn't purchase insurance he could still file a claim with paypal and get his money back, the seller would just be out the money because of it not being insured.
Third, if I haven't received my purchases in a timely manner (no matter who's fault it is the sellers or post office) I am emailing and anything else I can do to find out the reason why and if I stop receiving emails I may find myself asking forum members their opinions on the situation just like was done in this thread.
Fourth, If I receive my money back through paypal and I receive the items I bought I would repay with paypal because I am not looking for anything for free but do want what I paid for in a timely manner and like I said the 30 days waiting period is the sellers waiting period not the buyers and no matter if I am the seller or the buyer that is the rules I have to go by just like everyone else.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2254 Posts |
Very interesting thread. I am amazed(although it doesn't surprise me), that Mikescoins decided to join to dispute the comments, and this thread did not get out of hand. A true testament to the folks here. Quite a few just offering up advice for this seller to help his future, even though to me, some of the things/actions did seem a little shady. I also applaud Mike for keeping it civil when voicing his own thoughts towards Ty. Any other forum would have turned into a shouting match in no time at all.
Kudos to everyone. Stick around Mike, and check out the coin grading section. It only takes a few good collectors to have a good experience with you to make a huge difference in your profit margin....
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Valued Member
United States
179 Posts |
 Was thinking the same thing earlier. Flame-free forum. Kewl beans.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1083 Posts |
Yes we are mostly civil. I would be most interested to learn from Tykemeister how this ultimately concludes. Specifically, I would like to know if MikesCoins follows through on his threat to give him negative feedback and what he lists as a reason, secondly whether he ever received his coins, and third how those coins resemble the pictures and grade attributed to them? I think we represent a potentially large part of the collecting public and I would hope all this discussion might have had a positive effect on MikesCoins business practices, but who knows?
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New Member
United States
4 Posts |
Ty, The package likely did leave my town. Unfortunately, unlike every other shipping service, the post office does not systematically scan items when they are received, only if they are delivered, unless it is express mail or registered mail. They do have the capibility of doing this, as I have had some packages wind up showing as "This item has left our Jersey City, NJ facility" when I check the status. They just choose not to, and I don't know why. I get a lot of customers who get very anxious and believe that I didn't ship an item when they get the same message that only shows my software notified the post office that I submited the item for shipment. When the post office substantially increases their rates in May on parcels I will reevaluate whether I will continue to use them for all my shipments. I will probably continue to use them on at least the packages less than 1 pound, but I have found that UPS Ground is usually cheaper and even quicker than Priority Mail, (unless it is in USPS Flat Rate Box) As stated I really don't want to reship the coins, Paypal will issue Ty a refund because he put in a complaint and I cannot prove delivery. You would be amazed at all the people who put in complaints and leave negatives for me claiming non-receipt of merchandise when we have proof that the package was delivered to them. My Paypal account manager, btw, tells me I should refund and rebill the customer if they put in a complaint, as if I do ship after a complaint is filed, I am not guaranteed that I will ever see my money, because Paypal does not believe they are accountable if they make a mistake and issue a refund to a buyer when I have proof of deliver. As to my business practices, I have been on ebay for 8 years and I have over 30,000 positive feedbacks. Nearly half of these are from repeat customers. My system of communication, customer service, and descriptions in auctions are not ideal and I am taking steps to improve them. But, generally most people are very happy and come back, so I must be doing something right. Over time my sales have been evolving from exclusively ebay to about half ebay and half through mail order, phone, and website orders. I must be doing something right if I have all these people coming back and trusting me to provide them with quality coins outside of the protections of ebay.
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Forum Mom
 United States
5877 Posts |
It is unfortunate that the bad transactions are the ones that get the most publicity. I am glad that you have joined us and hope that you will continue to participate here. You are correct that the delivery confirmation number is not a true tracking number. It is only required to be scanned at delivery; sometimes it is scanned along the way. In discussing your past experiences, if you had DC to prove that the package had been delivered and you delivered to a US confirmed address, you should have won that dispute. Paypal has many rules that must be followed to the letter in order to be covered under their seller protection. This includes using DC on every package, only accepting Paypal for US confirmed addresses, and getting signature confirmation for packages valued over $250. They put a lot of this in the fine print which makes it very difficult. In the meantime, you have International buyers who have confirmed their addresses with Paypal but are not considered confirmed for US sellers by Paypal's rules. Believe me when I say that I understand how frustrating ebay and Paypal can be. We used to accept Paypal from overseas buyers and lost a large sum of money even though we had a signature confirmation of delivery because Paypal doesn't cover overseas shipments. Therefore, the buyer got to keep some pretty high-priced coins and get their money back. In the meantime, we had paid our client because we sell on consignment. We've had other issues surface also. I know how easy it is to just get frustrated at the whole thing. I'm very happy for you that you have been able to move a lot of your business off of ebay and wish you well. While I regret you joined us based on a negative issue, it seems to me that you are interested in improving in some areas, and obviously you are very successful in other areas. We all have our weaker areas and we all make mistakes. That's part of being human. I have to say that I am very impressed at how nicely you have explained your side of the situation and again I would like to invite you to stay and become part of our CC community. We all learn and benefit from each other here. 
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
882 Posts |
Mike,
Just because a claim has been made doesn't mean I can't close it. If you wish to send the coins I purchased from you, I would get them by Tuesday or Wednesday. This will probably be before the claim is even read, let alone finished. I would close the claim when I got the coins, and if you fear that I wouldn't, you will have your DC and I wouldn't stand a chance on getting the refund anyways. Or so I think...?
Never-the-less, you are collecting your losses either through your insurance coverage or the coverage I paid for in the auction (which ever you used). I will get the refund via Paypal. There should be no loss for either of us. I greatly hope this little ordeal doesn't end with a negative feedback. I plan on selling a few coins of my own this summer to upgrade my sets, and with my feedback only being at 30, one negative is going to make selling very hard for me.
Yes, you have lots of feedback and many people do seem happy with what they buy from you. I never meant to insult you, your staff, or your coins. I simply wanted replies to the emails I sent, assurances, and most, but not least, the coins. Ty
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