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1/10oz Gold Coins Vs 1/4oz

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 Posted 01/17/2013  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list
as far as taxes-

there is a rule, if you google you can pull it up that dealers when they sell X amount of ounces of foreign gov silver and gold must be reported when sold by the IRS. Other coins sold are not reported.

When in reverse you sell to your dealer, I forget now but I believe a 1099 is filled out. I forget now if its a certain amount that triggers that form. I might have my facts mixed up. this was put in effect in 2012 I believe.

later on ill try and dig up the rules. and yes, the IRS takes a slice on the sales as was mentioned above, gold and silver fall under collectibles and must be reported.
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 Posted 01/20/2013  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JSH to your friends list
ebay started reporting sales to the IRS in 2011. You will get a 1099 if you have more than $20,000 in total sales or sell 200 items in a year.
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 Posted 01/20/2013  2:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ed_B to your friends list

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There are so many loopholes in our current tax system that you could drive an aircraft carrier through it unnoticed.

Yes, there are. There are also quite a few "gotchas" in the tax code, hence the need for a separate "tax court". Hopefully, Congress will get busy on this and clean up the US tax code. It really is quite a mess. If Congress-critters HAD to fill out their own tax forms, you can bet that the tax laws would be MUCH simpler.
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 Posted 02/21/2013  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add veritek to your friends list
Similar thoughts are going through my head now. Went to the LCS with intentions of getting 4 1/4 oz coins. The guy at the shop literally talked me out of the sale! He said that was one of the most expensive ways to end up with an oz of gold. He recommended the following options:

1. Just buy a 1 oz coin
2. Buy gram bars to get you close to an oz (3 10g or a 10 and a 20)
3. Buy 4 British sovereigns (.2354 oz each) since they have a much lower premium

So long story short I left empty handed. Definitely not considering option 1 since I wanted smaller denominations, but maybe the gram bars or the sovereigns might not be bad options...

Any comments are welcome.
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 Posted 02/21/2013  11:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lincsus to your friends list
British sovereigns do sell for very close to spot but I have not seen 10 g bars selling at the same price level. The ones I have seen carry a small premium, little larger than the oz bars.
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 Posted 02/22/2013  08:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add auptpdag1995 to your friends list
@veritek - It's hard to advise someone when you know next to nothing about their intentions, their goals, their means, etc. but I will give you my feedback for what it's worth. What did the LCS have on hand? Not buying what's available to you at the time isn't necessarily going to save you any money if the spot price goes up between the time you left the LCS and the time you buy/order sovereigns, and a wasted trip costs time/money that should be factored in also. Sovereigns have been a target of counterfeiters for many years, so I'll only buy proof or graded ones, which do have a higher premium along the lines of a 1/4 maple or eagle. The smaller the gold, the higher the premium, but it's easy to recover the premium upon resale of 1/10th oz coins as others have mentioned here. You could also consider 10 pesos (.2411 oz) gold coins. Is there a reason you didn't just buy a 1oz coin?
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 Posted 02/22/2013  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add poboxw to your friends list
you have a good LCS. A lesser one would've sold you the coins first.

If you are worried about having to liquidate fast, go with as low a premium as possible. If not, it really doesn't matter. I personally think the copper brown shade of sovereigns is off-putting but that's the point, it's personal preference. If you are careful about your choice of venue and buyer when you are selling, any premiums you paid can be recovered.

(If you are able to get the gram bars close to spot they are a steal)
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 Posted 02/22/2013  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HaroldS to your friends list
I'm curious why more members don't offer gold on this site before putting on ebay?
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 Posted 02/22/2013  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list
Yea, what that coin shop did was pretty nice of them, instead of sticking it to you.

Tho, I have seen, at least in buying proofs gold, most what I have seen is a higher premium for the bigger fractional sizes.

So I dunno. I guess it comes down to a budget decision but also, liquidity. Instead of big lump sums of gold that you would be selling your doing smaller sizes at a time.
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 Posted 02/22/2013  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lincsus to your friends list
Selling here needs 250 posts. That is the reason a lot of people don't sell here. Then there is trust and comfort. People are familiar with ebay. Things on ebay sell faster.
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 Posted 02/22/2013  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list

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Similar thoughts are going through my head now. Went to the LCS with intentions of getting 4 1/4 oz coins. The guy at the shop literally talked me out of the sale! He said that was one of the most expensive ways to end up with an oz of gold. He recommended the following options:

1. Just buy a 1 oz coin
2. Buy gram bars to get you close to an oz (3 10g or a 10 and a 20)
3. Buy 4 British sovereigns (.2354 oz each) since they have a much lower premium

So long story short I left empty handed. Definitely not considering option 1 since I wanted smaller denominations, but maybe the gram bars or the sovereigns might not be bad options...

Any comments are welcome.


If you can get name brand bars in assay cards for a reasonable price, I'd go that route. Nothing against Sovereigns but I would not buy them.

3 name brand 10g bars, serialized to the assay card with weight/fineness hallmarked on the bars and printed on the cards in which they are sealed, is a great way to buy ~ 1 toz of gold.
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 Posted 02/22/2013  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list
BTW- speaking of 1/10 oz fracs....

I was racking my brain and i;ll have to check my collection's vault over the weekend but doing some research months back on some proof coins,, and what I was missing. I couldn't help notice the huge premium in many of the coins I had and they were only 1/10 oz proof coins,,, such as south African mint Krug's and Aussies. The Aussies were part of a special set at the time of gold, I think like nuggets,, have to check later.
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 Posted 02/23/2013  07:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add veritek to your friends list


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@veritek - It's hard to advise someone when you know next to nothing about their intentions, their goals, their means, etc. but I will give you my feedback for what it's worth.

My "intentions/goal" are simple. I'm interested in accumulating a reasonable amount of PM coins as an alternate form of "money storage". I also happen to love the look and feel of diff coins and bars! But, as much as I love the variety and coolness of all different coins I'm trying really hard to treat this less like a hobby. So justifying excessively higher premiums to myself is sometimes a challenge.


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Sovereigns have been a target of counterfeiters for many years, so I'll only buy proof or graded ones, which do have a higher premium along the lines of a 1/4 maple or eagle
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Liquidity and recognizability is pretty important to me. Confidence is also important so coins more likely to be counterfeited are red flags to me. So it looks like the sovereigns are out. Even before you mentioned to counterfeiting I was turned off by them because someone who's not familiar with gold coins could never tell me their bullion value by looking at them. I'd prefer to have something with its weight in oz or grams right on it.


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Is there a reason you didn't just buy a 1oz coin?

My first purchase in 1oz Krug, figured I should have different denominations just or versatility/diversification.
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 Posted 02/23/2013  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list
You know,,,,I think just a few things, might even be repeating myself here but-

a- if buying gold,,, as prices drop, now would be the time to get stuff with the premium I would think. Also, buying proof would give you cushion instead of just depending on spot price

b- I think, for more common fracs, the bigger the frac size the bigger the prem, and less common gold fracs, 1/10 oz is going to the standard.

Why do I say this? Well in my experience in gold collecting of proofs, I ALWAYS find 1/10 oz gold pieces for mints such as south Africa, Royal Mint, etc. But bigger sizes, forget it, its hard to find it here for that current year.

but you know, this also comes down to a matter of personal taste also. So I think you do what you think works best for you and what you like best. :D
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 Posted 02/25/2013  07:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add veritek to your friends list
Looking around on APMEX. The additional premiums for 1/4 AGE and Krug proofs aren't that bad so I can definitely consider them. However, they also have graded proofs which go up considerably. So my question is: if paying any additional premium for proofs, can you expect to get the same resale value on non-graded proofs or does it make more sense to pay the extra premium of getting graded proofs?

Thanks
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