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1888 V Nickel, Proof Or Not?

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 Posted 12/29/2012  4:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list
Liberty nickels can be a bit tough to discern whether or not they are proof or business. I just recently dealt with this same issue on an 1899 and have handled many high grade V-nickels. My opinion on this piece is multi-faceted.

Although I am looking at a picture through plastic I think that this coin does have the characteristics of being a proof. Unfortunately, this particular coin would be worth more in this condition as a business strike than a proof.

There is an additional problem. Many of the really good fakes of Liberty nickels actually look more like proofs (in luster) than business strikes. This coin has me slightly worried. It may just be some distortion from the plastic, but some areas of the metal fields flow in ways I'm not liking. Also, the proof Liberty nickels were more consistent in their strike than business. Some areas of that reverse in the motto and wreath look a bit too soft to me.

I said "slightly worried" because if I'm put on the spot I would call the coin true and probably give it a PF-64, but it might be worth getting it certified.
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 Posted 12/29/2012  5:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list
i'd like to see it out of the mylar with good lighting...
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 Posted 12/29/2012  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
I agree, we need to see pictures out side of the flip.
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 Posted 12/29/2012  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list
The coin looks like a proof but something about the graininess of the surfaces is giving me pause and it is not the frosting that I am talking about. As already mentioned by hesgut, the strike seems a bit soft in areas. So I am not sure what to say.
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 Posted 12/29/2012  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list
I want to compare to a Chinese counterfeit I have but I want to see out of flip for accurate comparison...buying certain type Chinese made are great to make sure you don't a pick a loser off the bay raw
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 Posted 12/29/2012  9:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ray123 to your friends list
Here is a link to high res photos. Hope these help:
http://ray1234.smugmug.com/Other/vn...13329_GKQhQ9
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 Posted 12/29/2012  10:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list
The lack of sharpness on the devices coupled with odd flat spots in the hair and an upper lip that appears to be floating in mid-air gives me doubts regarding authenticity.
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 Posted 12/29/2012  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom B to your friends list
I think it is counterfeit.
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 Posted 12/30/2012  07:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list
It looks like a cast counterfeit to me. The surfaces look grainy and there is missing detail in some ares of the bust and the denticles. Most notably is what appears to be sink marks in the thick areas of the date digits.
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 Posted 12/30/2012  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dsfreeworld to your friends list
in comparing with my chinese counterfeit I see similarities in the lips and LIBERTY that make me think this is a fake coin
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 Posted 12/31/2012  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ray123 to your friends list
dsfreeworld: Could you provide(post or provide a link) a couple of high resolution photos of your Chinese counterfeit coin? I like to see the similarities. Thanks.
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 Posted 12/31/2012  2:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hesgut to your friends list
After seeing the new images and having some time to think it over, I am going to change my previous vote (which had reservation at the time). I believe this coin is a fake. The details are simply too soft.

Here is a picture of a good cast fake of the same coin. This particular example doesn't have the proof-like appearance, but the quality of strike is similar.

1888-V-Nickel,-Proof-Or-Not?
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 Posted 12/31/2012  3:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morgandude to your friends list
In personally don't see anything to warrant a fake.
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 Posted 12/31/2012  3:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tom B to your friends list
"In personally don't see anything to warrant a fake."

A legitimate proof Liberty nickel has substantial hair detail above the ear and below the crown. In other words, the body of the hair has lots of waves. However, the images of this piece show dead spots in the hair where the engraving appears to have stopped. This is one of the hallmarks of a counterfeit.
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