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Pillar of the Community
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Always looking for the overlooked gem in the raw. I normally wholeheartedly agree about already TPGed coins, but a problem free Pan-Pac in the slab are outrageous (IMO).
Hence my delima...looking for a deal, like everybody else.
Edited by oih82w8 01/03/2013 12:11 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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When you say you are concerned about being burned, do you mean because it may have been cleaned or it is not MS?
I believe it is a gorgeous coin as long as the price is right.
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Pillar of the Community
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CK, I am not savvy enough to determine whether a coin has been "cleaned" other that the obvious "white". I have bought a few raw coins that I thought looked good, sent in to be slabbed and they were returned labeled "cleaned".
An MS Pan-Pac would be $500+. I am thinking this one would be high-AU at best which would be more attainable.
Edited by oih82w8 01/03/2013 1:16 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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How much are they asking?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3453 Posts |
I agree with the high AU (I initially had thought MS until commems pointed out the couple of areas). Can't tell about cleaning either but that is one beauty!
Looking forward to the "cleaned/original consensus".
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Great looking coin but I do not think this one would get an MS grade. Appears to be light wear on the eagle and high points of the obverse.
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Pillar of the Community
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7840 Posts |
AU condition...got it. Does it appear to have cleaned?  I realize that lighting plays a BIG factor, but that's my main concern.
Edited by oih82w8 01/03/2013 1:13 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Hard to say if it was cleaned from these photos. Surface seems very dull and lifeless. No remaining mint frost of any kind which you would expect to find on a coin of this preservation. Might have had an old cleaning and now re-toning. I still like the coin and would buy it if the price was right.
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Looks very nice to me!  I am sure you will follow up with the results once you get it in hand, and once again when you get it back from the TPG.
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Pillar of the Community
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Here is a NGC MS62 version (and it's an S/S) that is just south of $600. I think the marks towards the bottom obverse, top reverse of the rim are kinda "iffy", but it was slabbed with no problems. (sellers image)  Here is a comparison image, the original coin appears (to me) have better detail (then again the white background image is kinda grainy). 
Edited by oih82w8 01/03/2013 3:03 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I dont think that was cleaned at all. A beautiful problem free coin! Saying it may be cleaned makes some peoples eyes tell them it looks funny  looks fine to me. MS 61
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United States
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I'm not stating the coin has had to have been cleaned because it is raw, but at the same time anyone who convinces themselves it is problem-free based upon a single, poor image is simply engaging in wishful thinking. You won't know about the coin until you have it in-hand and, since you have stated that you cannot tell a previously cleaned coin from an uncleaned coin, you will need to bring the piece to someone you not only trust, but someone who knows what they are looking at with respect to surfaces.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I prefer the one you are considering to the MS62 example. Maybe its the picture of the MS62 one but the face does not look as defined, the hair looks like blob, less details on the leaves, I could go on.
If you were to hand me those two and the one you were considering was graded High AU, I would pick that High AU over the MS62 everyday (based on those pictures).
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Valued Member
United States
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It's a ncie looking coin, but two points stand out. As commems said, looks like wear on the eagle, where it's tarnished. And as Tom B points out, I'd want to have this one in hand before I made a decision.
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 United States
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Home now from too much work on a long Thursday ...
My quick glance leads me to the opinion of AU55 with uncertain surfaces.
The coin has seen circulation rub ... and not able to judge the surfaces based on posted seller photos.
I will note the coin has most likely been dipped ... the remnants of the tab-toning ring on obverse and reverse are strong indicators of an old dipping.
My opinion ... AU55 with questionable surfaces.
David
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