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Yepper...Master's Degree in IT (4.0 GPA) and almost 15 years experience. Been looking for over a year. If you were willing to work at $40K per year and move to Houston or that area then you would find work. We have jobs down here for IT people but I am not willing to pay for your Master's Degree. Sorry, but someone had to say it. I wish you the best of luck out there! |
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United States
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I am not willing to pay for your Master's Degree That's pretty obvious at this point. It wasn't that long ago that education was sought out by employers  . I haven't made 40K since well, forever...not going back there! |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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This out of control spending is ruining our country. Definitely! If not now, in the near future. We owe so much money that it's only a matter of time before we can't even pay the interest anymore. Of course, one could argue that it's not the current out of control spending that is ruining the country but the truly massive amount of debt that was run up by the previous administration who decided to finance two wars on credit and lower tax rates at the same time. That might be getting too political for this forum, however. Either way, the point is that we have a problem and I don't see a solution coming anytime soon. |
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Bedrock of the Community
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It wasn't that long ago that education was sought out by employers This is the dirty secret about education and federal loans that no one wants to talk about. Were getting to the point where we have the problem of an over educated society. When everyone goes to college it means nothing and forces you to get a masters. Now even a masters its starting to be like the old college degree and soon youll need a phd to stand out. College in general is so watered down with bs degrees all we do is force everyone to stay in school longer and spend more on it usually racking up more debt. Most secretaries even have college degrees now. So many people have post graduate degrees now employers have the luxury of being able to hire people with them without having to pay for it. We need to put the brakes on this idea everyone needs a college degree, way to many occupations are filled with over educated people whose degree doesn't help them one bit and just leaves them in debt |
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Canada
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Get a trade. We will always need good plumbers and electricians
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I saw a show on that. There were 2 brothers. I went to trade school and became a welder. By 23 he was making over 30 hour, owned a house and had no debt. His 25 year old brother had a masters in I think engineering had over 100,000 in student loans no job and lived at home with parents. Over the past twenty or so years not many became plumbers electricians etc. Many have useless pieces of paper and no job and huge debt. It seems college like medical costs have excalated. College basically will lend to death and people many times have no clue how much med procedures cost thus an insurance co pays and prices spiral.
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Valued Member
United States
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Getting education is not a bad thing. It all depends on how you approach education. If you are going to college just to get a degree and think getting a degree will somehow magically get you a great job and set you for life, then be prepared for a big shock. But if you understand the economy and go to college for a degree/diploma which is required in today's market, then you have a good chance of success. But then of course, the college and its quality of education has to be good. And you also have to make sure that the job will be here in USA in the near future.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Basebal has a point. But something he missed, the poster somewhere above him said it all; he didn't want to pay for the masters degree. So you need to stand out? You get a Post Grad degree and then no one wants to hire you because they don't want to pay for your degree.
I have a Degree in AAE. When I first went to work in my...what was it...oh, yeah, third Career; the going pay for an Engineer with a BS was about 28K a year. Less, much less than what I made as a Detective. Less than what I was making as a full time Soldier.
Budget cuts and nooooooooo Space Program, so what comes next? Certifications. As a lark, sorta, I specialized and got certifications in SatCom. Now my Certs make me over 100K a year. Who knew?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I find it strange that our society does not value higher ed but the Chinese, Indians, etc all soak up as much education as possible. There is a major shift coming.
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Bedrock of the Community
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So you need to stand out? You get a Post Grad degree and then no one wants to hire you because they don't want to pay for your degree. Well there is a difference between hire and pay for it. If your willing to take the same price you do make yourself more attractive assuming the boss isn't insecure youd come for his job. It probably can hurt you a significant percentage of the time but it will help just as much. This is assuming its a legitimate post college degree and not one of the watered down ones. Quote:
I find it strange that our society does not value higher ed but the Chinese, Indians, etc all soak up as much education as possible. We do sort of. The difference is their education is all math and science type stuff like what our colleges looked like 30 years ago before we started expanding to allow more people to go to college. We still value those degrees. The problem is we have too many liberal arts degrees (no offense to anyone) that basically allow you to teach those subjects to someone else. The philosophy degree may look good in the academic world but wont help much in the real world. Too much of education now is geared towards just creating more academics and helping their world thrive while we are falling behind in the real world categories. |
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Valued Member
United States
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I have a degree in Sociology. Don't have to tell me about worthless degrees. I wasn't willing to work at near minimum wage in the human services field for too long and I fell back on a trade I developed in my teenage/early twenties. After working for a decade in my trade I'm now in my 4th year teaching at a High School. The BA that I never really used is now coming in handy. Not because of what I majored in but mainly just because I have a degree in something.
I tell my students that going to college is not necessary for everyone. The world needs carpenters, machinists, plumbers etc. Those jobs don't require a full four year degree and the thousands of dollars that that costs.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Read my above post about that. I can't recall the title of the show but I think it was on CNBC in the evening or a weekend. Interesting
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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We actually have a system where Math and the Sciences are made very unattractive. When I worked at a Corporate R and D facility our Sr Research Engineer, who had a PhD., made 120K/year. Our Team Leader, who knew nothing about Engineering, had a degree in Business Administration and made 275k/year. His next step was as a Jr VP and a 325k/year salary. Engineers by the way, were excluded from that Corporate ladder because they were needed to develop the technologies needed to making the company money.
Ironic; is it? The Engineers that developed the technology to make the company money were paid less than the people that issued their ER's. My old boss used to brag that he never did any work. The Sr Engineer prioritized and oversaw the actually projects. The Boss's Personal Assistant took care of everything else.
It's kinda like the Medical World where the Administrators in the HMO's make more money than the Dr's that do the work.
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Valued Member
 United States
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"It's kinda like the Medical World where the Administrators in the HMO's make more money than the Dr's that do the work."
Add education administration to that list too. We are constantly bombarded for more and more money for "the children" I would not mind if our money was actually going to the teachers and classrooms, but we have layer upon layer of school administration sucking up funds before it even gets to the teachers and students. Our local paper once had a story about a new school being built. No students yet; no teachers yet; but by golly there were 3 administrators on board already.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Exactly. The moneys there for everything it just all gets wasted in red tape
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