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1936 Dot Penny?

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 Posted 02/20/2013  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cookiecutter to your friends list
Thanks for the opinions all. I haven't had a chance to visit my dealer yet, but after taking the close-up photos, I also didn't think it was the genuine dot. It's been a neat few days "fake" imagining what it might be like if I had the elusive dot penny. It's still a neat coin to have in my collection, and found in a circulation roll no less.

Maybe I'll affectionately call it the dud dot penny on my flip.
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 Posted 02/20/2013  5:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john517 to your friends list
The true dot was not centered they were hand placed. Living examples show the dot closer to underneath the 3 then centered.
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 Posted 02/20/2013  5:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list
It is "a" dot, but it is not THE dot.
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 Posted 02/20/2013  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john517 to your friends list
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 Posted 02/20/2013  6:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petersun to your friends list
Doesn't seem centered enough.
I remember a locked forum several months ago also concerning a dot cent from circulation.
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 Posted 02/20/2013  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bill in Burl to your friends list
Since there is at least one 36 dot coming up in an auction this year (maybe 2), then these discussions usually serve as a prelude to them. This is also being discussed on other forums. You can take what "carpman" and "Aussie Bob" say on the CCRS site http://www.canadiancoin.com/ Also fakes and forgeries have been around for years with these, as are many pits in the working die that cause what appear to be dots, but aren't. Also be on the look out for any poster named "Dean" as any discussions about 36 dots bring he and his followers out of the woodwork .. don't believe the conspiracy theories about other placements and hijinks. Discussions about 36 dots always are good for a page or two of spirited comment, regardless the site.
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 Posted 02/20/2013  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tfred to your friends list
We could call this one the "poor mans dot".
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 Posted 02/21/2013  07:50 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list
I think that expression, "poor man's dot" is already a term used to describe Zoell variety 'dots' between the 2nd and 3rd leaf on the left side of the 10-cent piece (Zoell Z258d) and on the King's neck of the 1-cent coin.

To follow up Bill's post above, Dean is also CCF member, and here are some links to start, if you want to go down that road:

http://1936dots.blogspot.ca/2010/03...gs-1936.html

https://goccf.com/t/121977

https://goccf.com/t/122578
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 Posted 02/21/2013  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cookiecutter to your friends list
And the verdict is..... (to no one's surprise)

I went to my dealer this morning and he also thinks it's most likely a die error (I think that's what he said) or something. He did say it was roughly in the right place, right size, the dot was raised, but that all four of the '36 dots have already been accounted for and the likelihood of this being a real dot was slim. It was just a shame that the obverse had so much damage and corrosion on it. Nevertheless, he told me that it was a great find and a neat coin to have, especially considering it came from circulation. Who knows, maybe in a few years it might be worth $5 to a buyer who wants a dot '36 penny, just not the dot '36 cent.

I shall lovingly place it into a flip into my album and dub it "the dud dot almost real dot cent".

Thanks all for your opinions. It was a nice few days imagining the what ifs. And, it's been my most exciting circulation find thus far (other than some early US wheat pennies).
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 Posted 02/22/2013  06:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add OddCoins to your friends list
Well, no matter what, it's still a 1936 dot penny. It is a 1936 penny and it has a dot under the date...

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 Posted 04/25/2013  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MrCanada to your friends list
I would be happy as well it may not be actual but as close as any of can dream and that is the best part, enjoy....
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 Posted 05/29/2013  5:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GaryN to your friends list
How about sending it my way. It would look much better in my album...but seriously, if it was mine, I'd be spending a lot more time researching it, rather than rely on a coin dealer who uses the term "probibly".

cheers
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 Posted 05/30/2013  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cookiecutter to your friends list
Gary - I've considered sending it to be graded. But given that all of the 36 dot pennies have been accounted for, I very much doubt that anybody would proclaim the penny to be anything other than a variation. History of the coins suggests a very conservative view of what this penny might possibly be. Even if it were an unknown, unaccounted for legitimate 36 dot penny, the likelihood of anybody stating with any measure of certainty that it is, is slim to none.
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 Posted 05/30/2013  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GaryN to your friends list
Well if you ever decide to sell, I'd love to be in on the bidding.
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 Posted 05/30/2013  01:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cookiecutter to your friends list
I'll keep it in mind. Though, I suspect I won't ever sell this coin. It's already in my album and I do like looking at it from time to time and dream of the possibilities...
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