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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I think the metal flow lines are a bit suspect - perhaps overdone. But this doesn't make it fake - the real deal could just as easily look like this. Probably best have it authenticated.
I have this exact type in bronze and the design style matches - bar the hand, which would be my only quarrel. Thats being said, they had better people to do the gold and silver coins so I cant really judge it by that either.
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Moderator
 United States
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The more I look at this coin, the more doubt I have. The flow line look more like what you would see if the coin was struck using a press rather than struck by hand. As the others have said it's best to have the coin checked by and expert. If there are none in your area, you might want to contact David Sear and send the coin to him to see if it would certify.
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New Member
 Macedonia
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New Member
 Macedonia
15 Posts |
I am back ...I was doing some research how my father has got the coin and I found out that he bought it from a man from my village. There was a small pot full of coins like this one.The man found them while plowing the field. My father bought just one and the others were melted by the owner... Now I don't know what to think?  
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
4208 Posts |
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH *weeps*
Melted down?!
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New Member
 Macedonia
15 Posts |
Yes, melted! My father paid the coin with a Marshal Tito gold coin(That was like 40 years ago. That time people from my village didn't know much about ancient coins) and now I have it. And now ...what?
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
300 Posts |
A hoard coin would explain the good condition .
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
4208 Posts |
My god, it makes my blood boil that so much archeology is melted! It reduces its value!
Hoards of gold coins from the late empire... If I were you, i'd hope for it to be fake, to spare the horrors of such a deed!
Unfortunately, if the story is real, then the coin probably is too.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3446 Posts |
You need to understand Ben that very often (especially in the former East Bloc) when these finds were made the 'State' claimed possession of all finds. I have an Armenian friend who loves to tell the story of the guys in his village who made a similar discovery. They divided the find and stashed the coins which was all good until their wives got involved and started arguing about how much each man 'deserved'. Soon enough the rumours spread and the KGB men came to find out what was going on. After a bit of 'enhanced interrogation' they left town with the entire hoard. The rest of the village learned a valuable lesson. If you find something make it disappear fast ! This is the reason you have the 'treasure trove' laws in most countries. Better to notify the right people and then share in the find than to risk losing everything.
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New Member
Macedonia
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I talked to my cousin, 3 days ago he told me that they have 2 coins left that they keep so this makes it three coins survived. And 2 coins was sold or better say exchanged 30 years ago for a 20 gr ducat from 1918th(ostereich or something).
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New Member
Macedonia
25 Posts |
What made and make people melt the coins are LAWS, lot's of treasures from the past are destroyed for their value gold silver etc... cause if selling them as golden coins in some countries LAW can get you 10 20 years in prison or worse .... So what will a simple villager do if he find a nice amount of gold try to sell it just to be sold to the LAW and lose his life(prison) and coins no... better get 1kg gold or 2kg and get the money. In some countries metal detectors are banned if you get seen by one of those you probably loose it to the LAW and get 30 to 90 days jail .... ccc, no fortune for holding it at the end I will melt few coins just to get a ring for my wedding in few months that's the best solution cause if I try to sell it I get LAW at my doors, if I show it to the museum I will loose the coin and LAW will come at my door with questions I have no answer for , so melting is the best option cause you at least preserve the gold and might get a good value for it maybe a car or a bike for easy money.....
ps: I won't melt it but I have stories from people that did the same thing.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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What do you do if the Authorities in the country in which you live confiscate, in all cases, any genuine coin you may find, if they find out about it? In such cases, the authorities reason that all genuine coins so found, by whatever means, are the property of the State, because they have great heritage / historical significance. What the Authorities subsequently do with them is often open to question. I strongly suspect that corruption has something to do with it. Small wonder that many excellent fakes are made, which are quite legal to sell. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This one has no wear, nicks or scratches. I find that quite 'curious',  despite the fact that it may have been 'undisturbed' for 1,600 years. It surely would have suffered at least a little handling before burial, with evidence to show. Near pure gold is very soft. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Excellent fakes can still be scientifically tested. You need to look for characteristic trace elements, that would be associated with an equivalent genuine ancient coin, and compared to those found in the suspected fake. Two tests are available: XRF, and mass spectrometry.
Edited by sel_69l 01/14/2014 10:47 pm
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New Member
Macedonia
25 Posts |
The coin has some small damage on top left on the picture, I will share a better view for the pros to give it a thumb up or thumb down when I get in hand a good macro camera, as I my country has issues with paypal I was unable to open a store at ebay to start auctioning my 5000 coins(not ancient world coins 1888 1930), tried at delcampe but I lack time rl takes much time at other stuff like work and life and every opportunity that comes with. And I maybe will find out someday if I am holding something precious from my old coin, stamp, badges collection.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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X Ray Florescence (XRF) is becoming increasingly common to test coins such as these. The test itself is not expensive.
Oxford University some years ago tested a considerable number of low condition ancient gold coins, with Neutron Activation Analysis. The results obtained were formed into a data base for trace metals. It is this 'fingerprint' of trace metals for each coin that makes the data base important.
If a modern fake is made out of pure gold or is gold plated, no trace element 'fingerprint' will show up in a test for them, because the gold is pure.
This is where an XRF test is useful; the results for trace elements in a suspected coin are compared against the established data base.
Some museums have XRF testing instruments. Take this coin to a museum, bullion dealer or university.
I would be happy to know the results!
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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The fate of coins like this are in the hands of the finder/s. In the UK Precious metals and objects within a certain time bracket found within the earth in a certain area are very rarely made common knowledge. The reasons are a little bit sad but also pretty obvious. The amount of gold ancient coinage reported in the UK is tiny, in fact I must confess that 90 percent of the guys that hunt on a regular basis that I know, would show a few friends a gold coin but would they report it to a finds officer? No they would not. They would clean it and keep it or sell it on to a private buyer. This is a whole debate that deserves a fresh post in a new place but for now lets just say that the law is not always in the best interest of the general population. If I found or am lucky enough to find a pot of ancient gold coins (highly unlikely given the facts around gold hoards) then I would most certainly keep a few for myself before any authorities got any indication it existed. On a different note, I would also make sure the same authorities knew it was found, the location, depth etc. so they could record what they needed and do their own research. I have never seen a Roman gold coin pulled from the ground and I have never heard of a 'real' one being found within miles of my location. I have seen quite a few celtic come out the ground (a bit further south of me) but Roman gold? Not a sausage. I have seen and read about a few that have popped up on a beach or have been found by the novice that has had the 'all singing all dancing brand new 250 that can find gold even in your wardrobe' (fake advertising ones) but the true Roman gold in the UK is and will remain pretty much non existent.
You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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