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Pillar of the Community
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I just can't understand that if this is, and it is, a copy, then how, why & what the heck it was doing next to a hedgerow, 6 inches or so down in an undisturbed patch of land? You don't think someone planted it there and was "Winding You Up", knowing that you would be Detecting in that field? Did someone tell you to go to the hedge and search specifically there? Never having the opportunity to do it, but from what I've seen on "Time Team" most metal detecting finds seem to occur out in the field, randomly, than by a specific place and can be found on the surface, sometimes, due to Plowing. |
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United Kingdom
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How modern would this be ? I'm asking because my uncle found some Victorian penny's while digging and with them was a fake gold George III half guinea ( gaming piece ) and a plated Edward III quarter noble ! He lives in a small village in Dorset called Milborne st Andrew .
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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My understanding is that these were manufactured in Bulgaria within the last 5 years or so.
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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Could be a seeded rally in the past , with dishonest organisers using cheap fakes to promote it ?
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I think monkey might be on the money. But cheap this is not - solid silver? Mustve been a posh rally.
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Pillar of the Community
 United Kingdom
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This wasn't planted, I can recall all my 'good' finds. It was in what you would call a 'coinball'. When I return on Thursday I will have the answer. As to the other post, yes you often get of the period 'fakes' but the problem we have here is that we are all sure this is a fake, from probably Bulgaria and these where mainly made from 2007, they where produced in a few places 20 years before as well but this has definitely been in the ground for longer, that I am sure of from my hounding experience. I won't sleep till thursday now  You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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A few fakes say £100 but 200 people at £15 a pop , just a thought .
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I will do a search see if I can find any rallies held there before I got to it. I am at the moment digging through everything I have, old photos, notes and my journal to see what other stuff came up from there. If it was 'planted' it was very well done. I am no expert on Roman coins but I detect almost every day, conditions permitting, and to me, it was a totally authentic find. Usually you can tell if the earth has been moved recently for a start.
Just as a thought, is it possible that everyone is wrong on this and it is of the period? We know she was not a well liked subject and even coin minters of the time were paid in secret to discredit her. Or am I getting excited for nothing again?
You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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This is not ancient. It is modern. Look at the other modern matching fakes. These are the clincher that guarantee it is modern. The puzzle is how it got to your find location.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I have resigned myself to the fact it is modern *sigh. But I am very curious now as to the how/why.
You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Its definitely modern. No two ways around that. Could a coin ball form that quickly? 5 years is quite a while sat underground. You've got the detecting experience and I wont doubt it if you say its been there longer. These copies are noted to be cast copies - cast from what? This could be an earlier use of those dies.
Either way - nothing dissolved it in the ground and the die state is exactly the same with the other samples. It would have to be the same die to be so similar. Could these have been produced in the 70s, say, and been left in a box since then? Passing hands but not being sold? Forgotten in the warehouse?
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Not same dies per-se but same casting mould. If these were just a die match then I wouldn't have a problem but the other factors mean that these were created is a casting mould more than likely using the lost wax process.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I have to hold my hands up here and actually say that I dont know how long it would take for a nice coin ball to form....
Basically its when you turn up a shovel full of earth, its all pretty loose but you have a solid bit round the coin. I am armed with the phone number of many excellent metdet buddies and will be abusing the British Telecom line shortly!
You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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The final nail in the coffin is this:  A copy with the dot on the reverse between VE and the bust state is that same. And this appears to be the seam:  |
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Basically, I am just not happy enough with the coin for me, if it was my decision to buy it.
Other opinions I will listen to and respect, because my opinion could be wrong. That is how we all learn.
In almost every case, I need to look at the coin in hand with a loupe, before I commit myself to a decision to buy.
I'll have to admit, BenByfield and maridvnvm have said it better than me. They are the ones who found identical coins, not me. Congratulations for your detective work.
That is why I attend view days at numismatic auctions.
If I like what I see and am happy with the auctioneer, I will make a single written bid and see what happens.
I rarely attend the auction itself, and so avoid a room bidding war.
That strategy has served me well for decades.
It helps greatly to have a reasonable collection of fake coins as educational reference, and a good supporting library on the subject.
Edited by sel_69l
04/03/2013 09:18 am
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