Advice On A 4 Oz Engelhard Old Pour.

I'd love to see some close up pictures.

Something is just not sitting right, in my opinion.

Looks like the fake 2,3 and 5oz bars we are coming across in Toronto lately coming from out west.

Someone has been melting down generic silver and making these Engelhard bars, which appeal to collectors

Dont pay attention to the price tag, for all you know someone just wrote that on at anytime. Ink doesn't look to faded to me.

Engelhard bars in that size never came in bags, only a very few sizes of bars did and they we're almost in a shrink wrap type bag.

I'd be interested in up close pictures of the 999 and the 4 in 4.000 as well as a clear picture of the serial number and back of the bar.

Some things are sticking out as huge red flags to me, making me think this may be a copy fake that have been popping up around here.

First of all
The price tag is actually very important.
If you don't understand art and history , this is called provenance , and it is extremely important.
I never said that Engelhard Bagged it but Woodwards clearly did. their coin shop was well known as was the Bay's here in Vancouver.

I have busted fake coins before so I am no fool.

The weight is correct , the price for the timeline is correct for the first pressing.
and if you notice in the first pressings , one of the nines in 999 is sitting high , well guess what....
One of my nines is sitting high. Little details that create a clear picture. Now I can understand your being skeptical and all considering how valuable this could be provided it is real.
Do you really think someone would fake a bar with a 4 for a serial Number? I think that might just draw a heck of a lot of attention to the bar , getting that person caught as a result.
I believe this is from the first 10 4 oz bars produced by Engelhard , given the high 9 , the price tag , and the no plus.
All three point to early.

I will upload more pics later tonight , but I will not be removing it from the plastic as it is sealed and will stay that way.

I bought the bar from All Nations Coin and Stamps (Formerly of the Hudson's Bay Company) here in Vancouver at their local weekly auction. A very reputable store with a long city history and a people you can trust.

And so you know
It was estimated for auction at $150 , just over the value of silver bullion. No one there knew what was sitting in front of them but me.

And I bought itfor $340!

It was not advertised as a rare bar as it was not thought to be. Counterfeits often try to sell rare fakes as the rare originals , this was not the case at this auction.
It just sold as 4 old oz of AG

Secondly , pen ink from the 1970's would not have faded in such a short time had it been in a drawer or safe and not exposed to light , moisture or the elements.

Thanks

My apologies if I ramble , but I want to get all of the facts out on the table about the bar.

A big factor for me here , Is that no one can show me a bar with a serial number below the low 200s
So how can you know , without a legitimate example of a one digit serial Number
what they looked like......

Can anyone provide me with photo references of this bar being faked with a very low serial number and packaged in a Woodwards bag?
If you can I will say shame on me and feel quite stupid.
Soooo.....

Looks real to me and if your story is legit it is almost like finding a lotto ticket. I would personally sell it as quick as possible transforming it into bulk silver/gold weight.

I just can't understand why someone would give that kind of money for 4 ounces of .999.

Congrats

As a new member you are not allowed to sell it on CCF. There are some hardcore Engelhard bar collectors on the PM forum at Collectors Universe. You might want to post it there and get more insight.

Good Luck!

Does anyone know of an authentication service that I can use to authenticate this bar?

Thanks