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New Member
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Cast means Unwanted piece?
2 Etrati seems strange lol
I guess I'll wait for SAP and SwamperBob to help me :D
Who ever that has info bout my piece can post here too.
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Moderator
 Australia
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Yes, it is a strange one. I suspect the coin is a type of contemporary counterfeit known as an "evasion" - it's designed to look enough like a French 2 francs to fool somebody who's either illiterate or not looking at their coins very closely. But if the fellow ever got caught, his defence would be that he was just making medals and it clearly wasn't a real coin because the legends weren't anything like a real coin. They might send the perpetrator to Devil's Island rather than the guillotine. Remember too, that from the 1860's up until World War II, France was part of the Latin Monetary Union, sort of a "19th century Euro", and finding foreign coins in change the same size as normal French coins wouldn't have been uncommon. Someone may have been confused by this evasion and thought it was just another foreign coin from some country they'd never heard of before. "Cast" simply meas the "coin" was made by pouring molten metal into a mould, rather than being struck by dies like a normal coin is. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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New Member
Malaysia
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Hm...
So this coin doesn't exist in the history? It is a fake coin?
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Australia
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Correct.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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New Member
Malaysia
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Thanks, I guess i'll keep this coin haha. Its a masterpiece that created long ago cause it was found by my dad when he was young. I'm still confuse how a fake french coin could reach Malaysia.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The design is attractive. Cool.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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chicaman Very nice coin - I believe that the diagnosis of an evasion piece is a plausible answer, but not the only one. Evasion coins were intentionally miss lettered to avoid charges of counterfeiting. They were normally used amoung illiterate populations or among populations who could not read the language on them. The design does match the one from the two Republic eras in France which were issued in two periods preceeding and following the Empire of Napoleon III. The latter period lasted from the 1870s to 1890s.
I have never before run into one like it. However, the method of manufacture seems very much like the technique developed in the 1870s and used for about 20 years or more. The coin appears to be a silvered base metal (brass or copper). It seems to be electroplated not silver ot tin washed so that would require it to be a post Civil War era coin, since electroplating did not exist in 1849. I think some further analysis of the plating layer is called for to firm up the most likely date of manufacture.
The origin of the coin as indicated by you is Malaysia. French coins are known to have been used in trade. So this could mean that the coin was produced in the orient among a population that could not read the English alphabet.
If I had to guess, I would say that the coin was made in China or Hong Kong about 1870 not so much as an "evasion" but as a Fantasy meant to be passed among a population that could not read the letters.
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New Member
Malaysia
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nice to see the answer from you swamperbob :)
So, this coin is the real thing but it is being created and used for trade in other country as at that time in Malaya (before the independence of Malaysia) the residence here couldn't read their language. Am I right?
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Pillar of the Community
Czech Republic
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It seems to be electroplated not silver ot tin washed so that would require it to be a post Civil War era coin, since electroplating did not exist in 1849.
It amazes me that after all these months - I still learn things I never knew from almost every single one of your posts. You rock, Bob! Edited by TwoKopeiki
05/12/2007 10:26 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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chicaman You ask: So, this coin is the real thing but it is being created and used for trade in other country as at that time in Malaya (before the independence of Malaysia) the residence here couldn't read their language. Am I right?Sort of. The coin is in my opinion a Circulating Contemporary Counterfeit from the 1870 to 1890 time period. It was made for use not in France but in an overseas area like Malaya. It was quite common to see trade coins being duplicated and used to defraud local merchants. It is a Counterfeit - not "the real thing", however, I would definitely classify it as a collectable and if it appeared on ebay I would definitely bid on it.
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New Member
Malaysia
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Yeah, It is not "the real thing" but it is really a historical coin that exist in the past and being used for trade. Unlike those contemporary counterfeit coin that appear on ebay which copy 99.9% of the real Coin to cheat on other people. How much does this coin worth in your opinion? |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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WOW, I am Glad you guys were able to help !!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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chicaman Personally, I would place a $20-25 value on the coin. Even if it ends up being a Modern copy (which I doubt) I would pay that much just to examine it to confirm my opinion about what it is.
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New Member
Malaysia
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Nice, I'll keep this coin up, u guys/girls can save up the image of the picture I posted and if anyone of u have any information about this coin, u can feel free to email me the information of the coin. I'm looking foward to have more and solid information. btw, my email is kenwee1988  gmail[dot]com |
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New Member
Malaysia
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I measured the coin with a ruler, the diameter is 2.7CM more info, if I flip my coin from left to right,  what I get is an inverted of this  |
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